Apparently, whoever it was that pushed the estate behind the scenes really really hard to “cancel” those books, so much so that the estate felt they “had” to give in.
Not that those people exist, of course.
Why do conservatives get to whine about Dr. Seuss and Mr. Potato Head? These were corporate decisions to be more inclusive and culturally sensitive. Democrats had diddly-squat to do with these decisions. If they worship the free market so much, why are they whining about corporations acting in what they perceive as their best interest?
Because it’s part of a trend of academic institutions, politicians, law enforcement, sports teams, corporations etc. capitulating to the demands of an increasingly dangerous ‘woke’ mob. Even foreign nations are beginning to see the dangers of American wokeness.
Woo-hoo, another textbook example of the conservative mythology of “wokeness”!
Illegal suppression of freedom of expression at public colleges and schools, racist policy such as segregation at public schools and colleges, corporate obsequiousness to the woke are not myths. Even Obama thought the ‘progressive’ left was regressive with regards to fundamental freedoms.
What examples would you cite about suppression of freedom of expression at schools and of segregation at colleges and schools? I’ve never seen the signs like in the history books where the water fountains are labeled separately for white and colored people and such. What in particular are you referring to?
Where was all this “concern” in the case of, for example, corporate obsequiousness to the patriotic, or corporate obsequiousness to the religious?
Why is it perfectly okay for corporations to cater to consumers who like American-flag iconography on their stuff, or who like stores that close on Sundays, but not okay for corporations to cater to consumers who like diverse and inclusive imagery in corporate marketing?
Segregated dorms, campus spaces, and graduation ceremonies are unknown to you?
And speech codes at a public university has been consistently struck down by the courts when actually challenged.
Some of those I was, in fact, not aware of. I’ll agree that things like separate graduation ceremonies, dorm rooms, and gyms for racial minorities is taking things too far. I don’t see that those sorts of things accomplish anything useful and, subject to additional information that I may be unaware coming to light about those programs, I will come out as being against such things.
As far as hate speech goes, however, I have no problem with campuses banning it.
A small store closed on Sunday or selling an American flag, how provocative!, has nowhere near the impact that Apple, Google, or Amazon does when they cater to the woke mob. Nor do they have the impact that law enforcement and district attorneys have when they fail to arrest and prosecute woke anarchists who engage in theft and destruction in order to advance a work agenda.
Define hate speech. Furthermore, it’s unconstitutional for public universities to suppress speech.
Those opinion pieces you linked are basically just conservative clickbait hyperbolically claiming “segregation” for rhetorical purposes.
For example, colleges do not have separate official graduation ceremonies for students of different races. Many minority student groups on college campuses hold their own additional ceremonies/celebrations for their members, as do, e.g., some honor societies and some fraternities and sororities. But the actual official graduation ceremony includes all members of the graduating class.
Referring to that as “segregated graduation ceremonies” is pretty ridiculous, but par for the course for this sort of “oh noes the liberals are the REAL racists!” propaganda.
At its most basic, it comes down to the reason for the hate. Someone from the majority group, let’s say group A, saying I hate (general) you because you are B, C, D, or E is hate speech. Things like calling people the n word, a fag, etc. The natural reaction of someone from group B, C, D, or E replying I hate you because you hate me (as opposed to I hate you because you’re an A) is not hate speech. That’s just a natural response to getting shit on by someone.
Well gee, TIL that the Hobby Lobby and Chik-fil-A national chains, for example, are “small stores”.
? You think Amazon, for example, doesn’t sell American flags, or American-flag-themed merchandise?
Again, this is just more conservative propaganda where it’s taken for granted that companies catering to consumer desires that conservatives are comfortable with are behaving normally and unexceptionably. While companies catering to consumer desires for, e.g., diversity and inclusivity in their marketing messages are “bowing to the mob”.
This has nothing to do with “impact” or “anarchists” or “theft”, and everything to do with the fact that conservatives in general simply feel more comfortable about American flags than they do about, e.g., pictures of interracial or same-sex couples.
I rarely ever find myself in agreement with Octopus on anything, but…
…is true. Tribalism just makes it very hard for other left wing people to see.
I always suggest that any time two groups (or proxies for groups) are treated in any way differently, swap the two groups and see if the statement is then offensive. If it is, you’re a -ist making -ist statements.
Here’s an example right as I type. That’s just racism with language to mask it behind a proxy definition. Since “white people” are always the majority, you have made a rule for white people by proxy that doesn’t apply to anyone else.
That’s discriminatory and/or preferential treatment based on race. That’s racism.
And I don’t say this to be offensive, so please don’t take it that way. I feel it’s really important to have self reflection when talking about moral issues.
How about instead we say “No one should hate anyone because they belong to race/group A,B, or C?” Why does the white-people proxy need to be part of it if your aim is to oppose discrimination based on race?
I bought my last flag from Amazon just about a month ago. They sell lots of American Flags. I don’t think octopus suggested they don’t sell them though.
I’m not sure what his point was, but it wasn’t that.
ETA: Not that anyone is wondering, but Amazon also sells the Flag cases for Veteran Burial Flags. I got the one for my father’s flag from them.
I’m sure friend octopus is being consistent here.
I am quite confident he was quite vocal in his objections to the cancellation of Colin Kaepernick for example, and certainly stood up when the Dixie Chicks were cancelled by those who objected to their exercise of free speech. I will just go and search for friend octopus’s consistency about those cancellations now.
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Hmmm… Can’t seem to find anything.
I made it general because, believe it or not, there are places where white people are not in the majority. And I did specifically imply (although I didn’t state it outright, maybe I should have) that if some member of a minority group hates someone because they are a member of the majority group, that is also racism. But I still defend my statement that it is NOT racist to reply “I hate you because you hate me” in response to someone else’s racism. The alternative is to accept getting shit on without responding, and that has never accomplished anything anywhere.
Oh, gosh that again? First one doesn’t have to seek out and protest every injustice to have the right to campaign against injustice. Second, you obviously didn’t even search my post history with regards to Kaepernick.
Want me to search and post some links for you?