Yes, female.
You misunderstanding what I have posted is not the same thing as backpedaling.
Is the issue here that it is somehow verboten to notice that some black people are shitheads?
Yawn. Another person whose main experiences with black people are that nice black who lives down the street and what she sees on the TV news. She doesn’t know what to think of them or how to make sense of any of it, but she knows their experiences aren’t the same as hers. She’s ignorant and she knows it, and it embarrasses her. So she tries to cover it with strong opinions she’s gleaned from popular culture, not realizing how strange these sound to people whose opinions are based on things like fact and experience.
Already answered this one. Simply because I am female doesn’t mean I ever got anything out of affirmative action.
Actually, I am smart enough to know that what is on TV is mostly fantasy. Most the the black people I’ve know IRL are those I have worked with over the last 30+ years.
Quite right, I cannot make sense of anyone that claims to want to be an American citizen yet acts like they would rather be someplace else. I have never understood people that won’t take responsibility for themselves.
Nope, doesn’t embarrass me. Why would it? Everyone is ignorant about something.
Wait, what? What makes you think I’ve gleaned something from what popular culture? Why would I want to anyway? This one really makes no sense to me, particularly since everything I’ve posted as been based on experience and, regarding schooling and specific examples, fact. Explain.
No, I believe what you are speaking is, in fact, a sub-dialect of Bullshit.
I dare you to find one single person on this planet, of any race, who thinks Africa is “Eden.”
And precisely what value should anyone here else place on your experiences? Considering how many gigantic assumptions you’ve already admitted to making based on an astoundingly lack of basic knowledge, why should anyone take your reports on the attitudes of blacks you’ve met in real life as anything other than another set of ignorant projections?
You don’t know what that meant? Shit, lady, you wrote it!
At this point, I think the more pertinent question is, did you?
psst… the government is “The Man”
I’m curious by the way, what line of work are you in?
Sorry to dissent from the pile-on since I am kind of enjoying it, but Rastafari is essentially based around the idea that Africa = Zion = The Promised Land.
But Zion isn’t the same thing as Eden. Eden is a utopia, free from want or hunger. Zion is a promised land, not a paradise. It’s somewhere an oppressed people can go to make themselves a home free from persecution, but not free from the troubles of every day life. It’s not a perfect place, it’s just a place that they can call their own.
Haven’t found a cite for this either, but intuitively it’s not hard to see why this would be the case. White women alone constitute 34% of the US population, which is more than all of Latinos (15%) and blacks (12%) combined. And this as of now; years ago the white woman demographic was even bigger. Proportionately more Latinos and blacks than white women have been living in poverty and thus cut off from many opportunites where Affirmative Action would apply, which leaves white women better positioned to seize, for instance, a managerial job that would have otherwise gone to a male or an admission slot as a physics major at MIT.
If we look at who benefits the most from AA just today, it would be hard to say who comes out on top. But if we look at the whole history of the program, it’s pretty clear who that is.
Oh, No I get to say “reading comprehension”. A refusal to learn is not the same thing as an inability to learn. I seem to recall using the word “refuse” in that post. Yep, as a matter of fact I did.
blamed, blam·ing, blames.
- To hold responsible.
- To find fault with; censure.
- To place responsibility for (something): blamed the crisis on poor planning.
You are most definitely finding fault with your school and holding them responsible for what you don’t know. If you weren’t holding them responsible for not teaching you, why in the world do you keep telling us about it? You knew the school was terrible, and had thirty-three years to make up for it. They were to blame when you were a teen, but not anymore.
Paraphrased: “I knew I had an appallingly poor education, and the only thing I was taught about blacks in American history was that slavery was bad. Yet, I simultaneously believed that I knew the basics.” ** Rigamarole**, here’s another for the contradiction list.
Oh come off it. Go back and look at how you presented yourself in that GD thread. Of the three people in there still talking to you before this thread, one said he’d like to say more but wasn’t in the pit. Another started the pit thread. An ignorant person who wants to learn is a different creature than the one who just spouts more and more prejudice, and tries to argue about what they admittedly don’t know. If you’d been the former, I’d likely still be pulling up good sites and book recommendations for you. If such a person wanders into that thread, I’d do the same for her. No, I’m not an active source of information for you. I washed my hands of that back in GD, remember?
Jesus wept. I’m talking about you showing me the law that said your company had a disability quota to fill.
How do you know this? How do you know that the last time you got a job offer, you weren’t competing against an equally competitive man, but your company decided to give you the offer because it wanted to increase its female representation? Men STILL get a much better deal in the workforce; affirmative action is supposed to compensate for these inequities.
I’m a white woman too. (And of Irish descent, even!) I’m willing to admit this may have happened to me. Why can’t you believe it could have happened to you?
FinnAgain, I will ask my friend for a citation, but she is spending Christmas with her family and may not consider it to be a priority at the moment.
I said act like Africa is Eden.
Whatever you want.
Reading comprehension - I didn’t know what you were talking about.
Do you view the second quote as blaming anyone?
I can no longer work. When I did, I paid medical/dental/vision insurance claims for group policies.
Yes you did, and I countered by giving an example of something I did learn from that thread. There are other things I am learning as well, such as you seem to be far more interested in being close minded, judgemental and bigoted than anything else, but I am certainly open to changing my opinion.
No. I may be finding fault with the fact that my grade school was way underfunded and my high school caught up in odd, new wave ideas, but I am certainly not censuring either, nor holding them responsible.
Your paraphrase is wrong - I know now that I had a bad education WRT blacks so until now I thought I knew the basics.
You are certainly not the only person in the world who jumps to negative conclusions and then holds onto them no matter what.
A person who doesn’t not want to be ignorant on a subject, yet who has any amount of intelligence doesn’t just take things at face value and asks questions. They might even challenge statements that are completely different than those they think are facts. Insecure people react badly to questions and challenges.
I believe I said that I didn’t know why they wanted to prove they had a quota to fill, I just did the paperwork they wanted.
Because, as I said upthread, I worked in an industry that was heavily populated by women. I have never worked anywhere that had a shortage of woman of any color.
Thanks, I’m in no rush.
The “perhaps” quite clearly refers to the effect you’re referring to, not the cause. Any reasonably proficient speaker of English (a group I’ll include you in) would understand that sentence to mean that you believe that it is self-evident that black history is taught at length while non-British non-white [history] is glossed over.
I can only assume, therefore, that you’re being disingenuous.
ETA: I’d be curious to see a cite for this “white women are most helped by affirmative action” thing, too.
I think it’s pretty clear who the bigoted person in this conversation is. All one would need to do is read some of the quotes of yours that I pasted into the first post of this thread. Lets not forget that we didn’t start out here. One of my first interactions with you was trying to explain that your great grandfather had more privileges than a black man of his time would have. You didn’t start out saying “oh, I didn’t know this” or “that doesn’t sound right” and doing research for yourself, or politely asking . You tried to argue that it wasn’t true, with a few more prejudiced comments thrown in for measure in each post. When you were told what the term African American means, you managed to twist it into a rant about slave mentalities and calling the term stupid. You’re entitled to your opinion, but this is the tone, *you * set. If you hadn’t tried to be as caustic (look at the nastiness in those quotes from the OP) and provocative as possible in GD, we wouldn’t be here in the Pit.
The fact of the matter is that it’s not their fault that you don’t know. It’s no longer in any way relevant to the current situation at hand, so stop finding fault with their poor job.
How did you think you knew the basics if all you knew is that slavery was bad?
Here’s a quote from you saying black history wasn’t taught at all in your school.
You presumably knew that black people were here, and doing something in the hundred years between the end of slavery and your entrance into the public school system, so it should have been really obvious before this that you’d missed out on a large chunk of time WRT that culture. Nobody knows everything about all of history, but you should at least have an idea of where your weak spots are.
Yea, sort of like you, and your internal negative reactions to blacks, huh? Not exactly though, because you were given a chance to prove who and what you were beforehand.
An intelligent person asks questions, true. An intelligent person also knows when they are unequipped to raise legitimate challenges, and does something about it. Like researching the answers that they are being given, for example. They don’t say “I just realized I don’t know anything about black history, but I’m gonna keep right on taking this stand.” You say that you have been researching, so good. Something positive may have come from this.
So, in other words, you just filled out some paperwork documenting that you were disabled, and have no idea it went toward filling a quota.
I have no idea what is taught in the schools these days. “Perhaps” they are teaching as much or more black history as they are non-British white history. The perhaps in my original sentence applied to the cause as well as the effect.
You’ll have to ask whoever it was that said that - wasn’t me.
Yeah, it was me. I’m on it, in a sort of relaxed way.