Curlcoat, what's the deal with you?

[curlcoat]

@Omega_Glory

I think it’s pretty clear who the bigoted person in this conversation is. All one would need to do is read some of the quotes of yours that I pasted into the first post of this thread. Lets not forget that we didn’t start out here. One of my first interactions with you was trying to explain that your great grandfather had more privileges than a black man of his time would have. You didn’t start out saying “oh, I didn’t know this” or “that doesn’t sound right” and doing research for yourself, or politely asking . You tried to argue that it wasn’t true, with a few more prejudiced comments thrown in for measure in each post. When you were told what the term African American means, you managed to twist it into a rant about slave mentalities and calling the term stupid. You’re entitled to your opinion, but this is the tone, *you * set. If you hadn’t tried to be as caustic (look at the nastiness in those quotes from the OP) and provocative as possible in GD, we wouldn’t be here in the Pit.

Dictionary.com is your friend. “Bigot - n. One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.” This was the response to my belief that what I was told about my ancestors was true, that my experience is that there are still quite a few blacks in this country that are still trying to get compensated for the slavery of their ancestors and their subsequent lack of civil rights , and my lack of omnipotence to know that my schooling lacked facts about British owned Africa. Now I realize that the current fashion seems to be that one cannot say anything bad about a black person (well, unless they are a celeb) but if you see “rant”, “nastiness”, “provocative”, “prejudice”, it is coming from inside you, not me. You really ought to go back and read your first posts on the subject in GD - you were not trying to “explain” anything.

(BTW, I asked my college educated engineer husband, who went to far better public schools than I - “what percentage of blacks in the US now do you think had a slave for an ancestor?” His guess was less that 1%. He is five years older than me, maybe we are just a product of our times.)

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Yea, sort of like you, and your internal negative reactions to blacks, huh? Not exactly though, because you were given a chance to prove who and what you were beforehand.

Was I? Or did you just wade in as soon as I said something you didn’t agree with? My caution with younger blacks, particularly the women, is due to experience with the real life breathing being, not with a whole two internet posts that you rushing to squash.

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So, in other words, you just filled out some paperwork documenting that you were disabled, and have no idea it went toward filling a quota.

Do you even see how you come across, the jump to the negative conclusion? I filled out paperwork that said something about a quota, but since that was almost 10 years ago, I don’t remember who it was for. I don’t even remember all that much about it other than as soon as my supervisor saw my parking permit she emailed me something to fill out and return. That is the only time in my life when the idea that I was at all affected by Affirmative Action occurred (you do remember why this came up, right?)

[FinnAgain]

I know you’re almost definitely trolling, but I’ve gotten pleasantly drunk and currently I can’t resist.

Merriam Webster is your friend, bitch.
Bigot: : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Omniscient
1 : having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight
2 : possessed of universal or complete knowledge

@curlcoat

Now I realize that the current fashion seems to be that one cannot say anything bad about a black person (well, unless they are a celeb) but if you see “rant”, “nastiness”, “provocative”, “prejudice”, it is coming from inside you, not me.

No you dumb cunt, you can say anything you want about individual black people, you silly trolling moron. That’s the difference between relating to individuals and having a negative reaction to most people in a certain ethnic group.
You are the bigot who said that you “I now tend to have an internal negative reaction to most black people”. Having a negative reaction to most people of an ethnic group is bigotry. What’s more, even if you really are as shit-stupid as you’re coming across, you’re not actually so stupid as to be unaware that by making generalizations about blacks, time and again, you’re coming off as prejudiced, inflammatory, ranting, etc…

Silly troll, tricks are for whores.

@curlcoat

(BTW, I asked my college educated engineer husband, who went to far better public schools than I - “what percentage of blacks in the US now do you think had a slave for an ancestor?” His guess was less that 1%. He is five years older than me, maybe we are just a product of our times.)

For the record, I would guess that you are actually a 20-something year old man running a sociology experiment on us, but assuming you’re just a dumbass: that’s because your husband is also fucking stupid, willfully pig ignorant, incurious and generally intellectually wasted. If he’s really an engineer he probably designs light bulbs that somehow electrocute people.

@curlcoat

My caution with younger blacks, particularly the women, is due to

… you being a bigoted cunt.
Yeah, we get it already.

@curlcoat

Do you even see how you come across, the jump to the negative conclusion?

Yah, if only he’d announce that he’s too stupid and fundamentally incurious to have learned about the nation’s history since he got out of public school, and he waited 30 years to start pugnaciously ‘asking questions’ on an online message board, and that he has an internal negative reaction to most members of a millions-strong ethnic group… he’d be coming across much better.

P.S. you’re a cunt.
P.S. On the edit: you’re still a cunt. Cuntiddy cunty cunt cunt.

[DSeid]

Let’s recap curlcoat:

You now recognize that you really don’t know much about the state of affairs for Blacks in America even though you thought you did. Or how Black history or any other history is taught in schools today. You are happy to learn and that learning includes checking up on and verifying claims that other posters make.

You now understand that the use of fill-in-the-blank-American goes back over a century and that “African American” was modeled after that form used by other ethnicities. Use of the term does not, in any way, imply a desire for reparations or separation, even though that had previously been your impression. Your experience has been to hear that phrasology used most by obnoxious Black individuals who feel entitled and you have previously been unaware of how many other ethnicities hyphenate now and in the past. That experience was the basis for that impression.

You have had some negative experiences in your life with a some shitheads who were Black. You do not assume that those experiences inform you in any way about other Black Americans, even if they like to use the term African American as well. Any understanding that the rest of us received that you were generalizing from those personal experiences to Black Americans as a group was a miscommunication on one or the other or both of our parts.

You now appreciate the fact that Black males in America are more likely to be imprisoned falsely than members of other groups. Barring the possibility that innocent Black male defendants behave systematically like much bigger asshats than others do, then the most likely explanation is that jurors have a pre-existing “internal negative reaction” to young Black men that biases the judgments. These biases do not need to be explicitly racist beliefs to be significant in this regard. They can be subtle and the holders of these beliefs may not even be aware of them.

If this is an accurate review of where you are positioned now then great.

None of us are without gaps in our knowledge.* And only a few here condescend to those who have less knowledge any particular subject.** Any one here who is able to admit when they are wrong and learns from the experience is generally well regarded. I honestly hope that you will become one of that group.

OTOH you may just be a clever troll, as Finnagin deduces, or just an arrogant bigoted ignoramus who uses her past educational failings as an excuse against any lack of learning during her adult life and against the deficiencies of an uncritical mind. Your future postings will reveal which it is.

*Well there are a few who for particular fields have yet to show any - if you stick around you’ll learn to just accept anything Tamerlane says about history or culture as true without question, for example.

**You know them by the frequency they are the subjects of Pit threads. Only surpassed by those who think they know much but do not know diddlysquat in reality. Those people get reamed badly. And usually do not stick around long.

[FinnAgain]

Confirming: Tamerlane is a badass mofo.
But he does not have a cat who plays fetch.

[DSeid]

Finn stop posting and go back to drinking!

[FinnAgain]

I have a cat who fetches! I have another cat who sits on command!
You do not scare me!

Ayieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

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Edit: emoticons!
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[curlcoat]

@FinnAgain

I know you’re almost definitely trolling,

Once again proving you can’t believe everything you read.

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No you dumb cunt, you can say anything you want about individual black people, you silly trolling moron. That’s the difference between relating to individuals and having a negative reaction to most people in a certain ethnic group.

You want me to specify who I am talking about?

You are the bigot who said that you “I now tend to have an internal negative reaction to most black people”. Having a negative reaction to most people of an ethnic group is bigotry.

Not according to the dictionary definition that you posted. I don’t treat anyone with hatred or intolerance, even drunks who call me a cunt. I am merely cautious now due to previous experience

What’s more, even if you really are as shit-stupid as you’re coming across, you’re not actually so stupid as to be unaware that by making generalizations about blacks, time and again, you’re coming off as prejudiced, inflammatory, ranting, etc…

See that’s the whole problem with people who have knee jerk reactions - they do it without thinking. Maybe you should go back and read what I have written when you sober up and you will see that I am talking about a group of blacks that I have known over the years, who share enough characteristics that it has become predictive.

For the record, I would guess that you are actually a 20-something year old man running a sociology experiment on us, but assuming you’re just a dumbass: that’s because your husband is also fucking stupid, willfully pig ignorant, incurious and generally intellectually wasted. If he’s really an engineer he probably designs light bulbs that somehow electrocute people.

Actually, this is turning into a rather interesting view into some peoples minds. Simply because I disagree with your views I am now 30 years younger (yeah!), a male (no thanks) running an experiment? And my husband is incurious and all the rest of that because he didn’t know a fact about British owned Africa? I dunno if it is the booze talking or what, but you are beginning to sound pretty immature yourself.

FWIW, if you have ever been hospitalized, you may have used a product that my husband holds a patent on, or any of many others he was involved in creating and getting to market. What he is working on now, hopefully will be ready when you go to get your brain surgery.

[curlcoat]

@DSeid

Let’s recap curlcoat:

You now recognize that you really don’t know much about the state of affairs for Blacks in America even though you thought you did. Or how Black history or any other history is taught in schools today. You are happy to learn and that learning includes checking up on and verifying claims that other posters make.

I don’t know much about quite a few things, which I probably share with most of the country. I learn things as I have time and interest. Right now the coffee cake is baking, so…

You now understand that the use of fill-in-the-blank-American goes back over a century and that “African American” was modeled after that form used by other ethnicities. .

Back over a century in the east, yes. Apparently some use in the west for a lesser time.

Use of the term does not, in any way, imply a desire for reparations or separation,

Do you know that? I mean, other than the media using it, what would be the purpose for the average person in the next cube to use it? Or as someone in the GD thread posted, an average person calling in on a radio show.

even though that had previously been your impression. Your experience has been to hear that phrasology used most by obnoxious Black individuals who feel entitled and you have previously been unaware of how many other ethnicities hyphenate now and in the past. That experience was the basis for that impression.

Yes.

You have had some negative experiences in your life with a some shitheads who were Black. You do not assume that those experiences inform you in any way about other Black Americans, even if they like to use the term African American as well. Any understanding that the rest of us received that you were generalizing from those personal experiences to Black Americans as a group was a miscommunication on one or the other or both of our parts.

I do not assume that any experiences with anyone inform me about anyone else. However, due to bad experience I now tend to be cautious around black people, particularly younger ones, and most particularly females. For some reason, for me shithead and self identification as African American has gone together.

You now appreciate the fact that Black males in America are more likely to be imprisoned falsely than members of other groups. Barring the possibility that innocent Black male defendants behave systematically like much bigger asshats than others do, then the most likely explanation is that jurors have a pre-existing “internal negative reaction” to young Black men that biases the judgments. These biases do not need to be explicitly racist beliefs to be significant in this regard. They can be subtle and the holders of these beliefs may not even be aware of them.

Yes and no. I’ve been told that black males are more likely to be falsely imprisoned but I haven’t had time to actually verify it, if it is still true, why and all of that. I don’t agree that the only two possible reasons this may be happening is defendants acting like asshats or bigoted jurors.

OTOH you may just be a clever troll, as Finnagin deduces, or just an arrogant bigoted ignoramus who uses her past educational failings as an excuse against any lack of learning during her adult life and against the deficiencies of an uncritical mind. Your future postings will reveal which it is.

Huh. Either a clever troll or an ignorant bigot. I guess if I had to choose I’d rather be the troll, but fortunately for me I’m neither. I certainly haven’t lacked in learning as an adult, since I did not learn how to pay insurance claims, code websites, breed Bettas or any of the other useful and useless stuff I’ve learned to do over the years in high school.

**You know them by the frequency they are the subjects of Pit threads. Only surpassed by those who think they know much but do not know diddlysquat in reality. Those people get reamed badly. And usually do not stick around long.

Hmm. Sounds mature.

[FinnAgain]

Dear cunt:

Yes, I am drunk, and you are stupid.
But tomorrow I will be sober.

Meanwhile, that was sure some nice trolling. Certainly you realized that the definition I posted said “regards or treats”, and that you’ve shown amply by your own words that you are intolerant to what you view as mainstream black culture/nomenclature/existence. You also know full well that you’ve made sweeping generalizations about people who self-identify as “African American”, babbling your bigoted spew about slave mentality and entitlement and what not.

By the way cunt, stop lying. And stop babbling about ‘reading comprehension’, you obnoxious moron. You are not simply talking about a group of blacks you have known personally, as time and again you have made sweeping generalizations, for instance, about people who refer to themselves as African-American. That you later backpedaled and your bigotry was based on the fallacy of anecdote just makes you a coward, in addition to your other failings.

P.S. I own my cats.
Like slaves!
Irish slaves.
Delicious, delicious broguey slaves.
But the quiet kind, not uppity. Baxter doesn’t even self-identify as cat-American. He even purrs really quietly, so as not to appear black.
And what’s up with how cats talk in movie theaters? Am I right? Eh, eh?

P.P.S. Would you prefer ‘twat’?

P.P.P.S. Too bad, cunt!

[curlcoat]

@FinnAgain

I have a cat who fetches! I have another cat who sits on command!

I also have a cat who fetches and sits, tho I do not have videos of either, nor pictures of her sitting on command.

[FinnAgain]

Figures.
Your cat slave is black.

[curlcoat]

@FinnAgain

Dear cunt:

Yes, I am drunk, and you are stupid.
But tomorrow I will be sober.

And, apparently, still immature.

Meanwhile, that was sure some nice trolling. Certainly you realized that the definition I posted said “regards or treats”, and that you’ve shown amply by your own words that you are intolerant to what you view as mainstream black culture/nomenclature/existence. You also know full well that you’ve made sweeping generalizations about people who self-identify as “African American”, babbling your bigoted spew about slave mentality and entitlement and what not.

Shrug. You don’t understand what I am talking about.

By the way cunt, stop lying. And stop babbling about ‘reading comprehension’, you obnoxious moron. You are not simply talking about a group of blacks you have known personally, as time and again you have made sweeping generalizations, for instance, about people who refer to themselves as African-American. That you later backpedaled and your bigotry was based on the fallacy of anecdote just makes you a coward, in addition to your other failings.

Huh, coward, bigot, cunt, liar, obnoxious, moron and I’m sure I’ve forgotten others. You certainly are a lovely example of the quality of poster I may meet here.

P.S. I own my cats.
Like slaves!
Irish slaves.
Delicious, delicious broguey slaves.
But the quiet kind, not uppity. Baxter doesn’t even self-identify as cat-American. He even purrs really quietly, so as not to appear black.
And what’s up with how cats talk in movie theaters? Am I right? Eh, eh?

Huh? Oh, right, you are drunk.

P.P.S. Would you prefer ‘twat’?

P.P.P.S. Too bad, cunt!

I’m not particularly concerned with what you call me.

[curlcoat]

@FinnAgain

Figures.
Your cat slave is black.

My cat isn’t a slave - I’m sorry to hear that yours are. Also for your drunken enjoyment, I have three dogs and they are all also black. No slaves tho.

[FinnAgain]

You bore me.
Send your black slave cat to the keyboard so that you might improve your signal/noise ratio.

[Omega_Glory]

At this point, it’s impossible for me to care less about this, so whatever, curlcoat. I’m not wasting any more of my time on you, and your mass of contradictions, changing goalposts and anecdotes as facts.

uh, coward, bigot, cunt, liar, obnoxious, moron and I’m sure I’ve forgotten others. You certainly are a lovely example of the quality of poster I may meet here.

Fortunately for us though, you appear to be one of a kind.

OTOH you may just be a clever troll, as Finnagin deduces, or just an arrogant bigoted ignoramus who uses her past educational failings as an excuse against any lack of learning during her adult life and against the deficiencies of an uncritical mind. Your future postings will reveal which it is.

Not sure yet, but I’m leaning toward door #1.

[ivan_astikov]

@curlcoat

It seems that the only Americans who are just plain Americans are those whose ancestors came over on the Mayflower!

No, I think that would be the Cherokees, or one of them bunches.

[DSeid]

@curlcoat to FinnAgain

You don’t understand what I am talking about.

@curlcoat to rigamorole

You misunderstanding what I have posted

@curlcoat to Omega Glory

Ok, words of less than three syllables - oh crap, I already blew it. Anyway, this is my attempt to be very clear since you are just. not. getting. it.

(That one cracked me up to most. Oh the irony! It burns!)

@curlcoat to everyone

This whole thing has been a highly interesting example of people who read their own prejudices into a post.

@curlcoat to Tom

you are completely misunderstanding what I am saying

@curlcoat to Belowjob2.0

Again, it would help if people would just read what I write and not add their own biases in

@curlcoat to me

Your sole purpose here seems to be to find the most negative interpretation of what I have posted.

I am sure I missed a few but the theme is clear: poor curlcoat - wandered into a group of people who just cannot understand even her plainspoken words. I am sure she will tire of dealing with us and our reading disabilities and our prejudices and move along to find people who can understand her points well. Lots of those sites around unfortunately.

@curlcoat to Omega Glory

(BTW, I asked my college educated engineer husband, who went to far better public schools than I - “what percentage of blacks in the US now do you think had a slave for an ancestor?” His guess was less that 1%. He is five years older than me, maybe we are just a product of our times.)

Or maybe idiots and bigots attract each other or YOU ARE JUST A FUCKING TROLL!

Yeah Omega Glory, I’m done with this … ach … my Pitting skills are not worthy to describe her … too.

[jali]

I’m a 51 year old African American, Black, Colored, Lovely Negress. Whatever floats my boat on any given day.

I knew nothing about hyphenated Americans until I went to high school in another neighborhood. I met Italian-Americans, Irish- Americans, Polish-Americans, German-Americans, Chinese-Americans, Japanese-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans and I was black (lower case was preferred). There was a French Club, Spanish Club, Polish Club, German Club, Asian Club. Would it be outlandish to also have and support a Black History Club?

Now people call themselves African-American and you have a problem with this type of identification. I remember (and you should too) the big deal made when Kennedy was elected (Irish-Catholic-American).

I’ve never asked for reparations. I was hired based on my ability to do a damn good job.

My parents were proud graduates of Delaware State College (it’s U. now) back in the 50s. They were both social workers and never asked for or received a government handout. My father went to school on the G.I. Bill as a World War ll veteran (as did many of his generation). Should he have accepted a job doing something other than what his Social Sciences Degree qualified him to do because of the previous pattern of discrimination based on color?

I’ve raised 4 children (the youngest is now 17) without any type of assistance. It wasn’t easy, but we worked hard.

I’m happy that assistance is out there for those who need it and before you discuss hiring quotas or anything having to do with equal opportunity (think about it - opportunity) I agree with many of the posters above. Educate yourself.

Or am I another poster who just doesn’t understand?

Oh, in high school - we studied American History for two years, European History for one year, and Third World History (everything that wasn’t American or European) for one year. I went beyond the curriculum then, and continue to learn today. Blaming a poor education is pitiful when the resources are available at any public library and all over the internet.

[curlcoat]

I didn’t say that every black person that I have met has been a pain in the butt.

As for educating myself, I do. Somehow, earning a living and all of that didn’t leave a whole lot of time, but I do try. Someday maybe I’ll be able to get to all of the things that are important to you, until then I’ll just work on the things that interest me.

As for whether or not you are just another person who “just doesn’t understand” - begins to sound that way. Your post is dismissive and snotty. But then, this is the Pit! Have fun!

[curlcoat]

@ivan_astikov

No, I think that would be the Cherokees, or one of them bunches.

Ah, except they aren’t! They are called Native Americans! Labels, labels and more labels.