Curlcoat, what's the deal with you?

[curlcoat]

@RickJay

1. even sven has kids? News to me.

even sven is childless at this time, but since she says is is not committed to staying that way, she isn’t childfree.

2. The way you feel about children is extreme and uncommon. You are not in the “middle of the range” and only a fool would think you were. It’s weird to not like kids. There’s nothing wrong with being weird if you’re not hurting anyone, but don’t pretend it’s normal. Whether you like it or not, most people like children, and that’s the world you have to live in, so suck it up. Some of us even WERE children once.

Good lord. You know all of this how? Maybe you should go have a Google on the subject before showing how little you know.

Do you go about telling gays they are weird because “most people are heteros”?

Of course, you also seem to dislike black people. You’re starting to run out of people to like.

I only dislike people who are rude and entitled.

Didn’t you go to school? You’re paying back for the education that was offered you. Stop whining. It’s pathetic.

No, I am not paying back for the education I got by paying huge taxes to fund what have become glorified babysitters here. I paid back for my education by being a productive member of society for almost 40 years, and I paid that back to my parents and the rest of the folks paying taxes back then. Besides, my complaint isn’t with whether or not I have to fund metal detectors and teaching english to grade schoolers, it is that I am not allowed to step foot on any school in this city because I do not have a child that attends any of them. No matter what you want to believe, it is highly unlikely that I will get any benefit from the hundred of thousands of dollars I will have paid into these schools before I die.

Of course, you could have gotten that from my previous post, but that would be no fun would it?

[Moirai]

Why would you want to set foot on a public school campus? What business would you possibly have there? Oh wait, if you have business there, you are free to walk right in…

Edit- also, you might be interested to know that while even sven’s current location is China, she was born and raised right here on the west coast…

[RickJay]

@curlcoat

even sven is childless at this time, but since she says is is not committed to staying that way, she isn’t childfree.

Oh, what a load. If you might drink next Saturday, you’re still sober today. “Childfree” is just a way of saying you don’t have kids.

No, I am not paying back for the education I got by paying huge taxes to fund what have become glorified babysitters here. I paid back for my education by being a productive member of society for almost 40 years…

Being a productive member of society means paying taxes to support the apparatus of state, which in every civilized nation includes a public education system. And since you have admitted you don’t know much about the education system, spare us your opinions on its effectiveness.

You got a public education. Everyone is offered one - I suppose some rich kids don’t use it, but that’s a choice - and then when we grow up, we pay money to support the system we all used. It’s fair all around.

… it is that I am not allowed to step foot on any school in this city because I do not have a child that attends any of them.

Have you ever asked?

And frankly, why the hell do you care? You’re paying to maintain the Lincoln Bedroom but you’re not allowed to just show up with your overnight bag and demand to stay there. You pay for military bases but don’t have free access to them. You’re paying for prisons but you can’t enter those anytime you like. You pay for God only knows how much government bureaucracy but you’re not allowed to just waltz into any government worker’s cubicle and drink their coffee. You’re bitching about schools, instead of a zillion other things you pay for with taxes that you aren’t allowed to just traipse into, solely because you don’t like kids. You have some emotional issues with your family, too bad for you, but forgive me if I spare no tears for your having to pay the same taxes as everyone else. The rules and opportunities are the same for everyone, so pay up. Perhaps your cats will make you feel better.

I only dislike people who are rude and entitled.

So you take back all your negative comments in this thread on African-Americans?

[MsWhatsit]

My husband is a mailman and he’s allowed to step foot into any public school he wants. So are Fed Ex and UPS delivery guys, military recruiters, people selling fundraising stuff, photographers… No, I don’t think that too many public schools let random passersby just stop by and wander around the classrooms whenever they want, but who in the world would want to do that? It’s a school. Do your sightseeing at the mall, if you must.

[curlcoat]

@EJsGirl

Why would you want to set foot on a public school campus? What business would you possibly have there? Oh wait, if you have business there, you are free to walk right in…

Our public schools are still not year round, so they are not being used during the summer. Up until about 10 years ago, if I wanted to go exercise or train dogs on the grounds it was no big deal, even after hours towards the end of the school year, when there was plenty of light after all the kids had gone home. Now there is six feet tall chain link fence all around all the schools near us, with padlocked gates and no trespassing signs. (This is only the public schools - for some reason the private school grounds are still available.) Since I’m not sending kids to school, I’d like to get something out of my taxes, particularly since they are also locking the kids off the grounds, so they all go to the parks now.

Edit- also, you might be interested to know that while even sven’s current location is China, she was born and raised right here on the west coast…

OK…?

[curlcoat]

@RickJay

Oh, what a load. If you might drink next Saturday, you’re still sober today. “Childfree” is just a way of saying you don’t have kids.

As I said, you might want to go have a look at the subject. Childfree means you have chosen to never have them.

(“If you might drink next Saturday”?)

Being a productive member of society means paying taxes to support the apparatus of state, which in every civilized nation includes a public education system. And since you have admitted you don’t know much about the education system, spare us your opinions on its effectiveness.

I don’t recall stating I don’t know much about the education system. I certainly know that our local schools have abysmal test results, graduating high school stats and going on to college stats. If our public schools were actually teaching the leaders of tomorrow instead of the “Do you want fries with that” of tomorrow, I’d have much less problem with the amount of money they suck out of us, but study after report after news story shows that the education being offered in our city by the public school system sucks.

You got a public education. Everyone is offered one - I suppose some rich kids don’t use it, but that’s a choice - and then when we grow up, we pay money to support the system we all used. It’s fair all around.

Actually, many of the middle class parents here pay to send their kids to private schools because the public ones suck so bad. That’s the whole issue - we have these public schools that eat up so much in taxes that are essentially useless. Yes, the kids get something of an education but certainly not one that will get them into college or a decent job. When I was still working, we would get applicants who couldn’t spell, write a letter, conjugate verbs or do basic math without a calculator. I don’t know if this is a problem unique to S Cal with our large immigrant population, but then I am not paying taxes to support schools in any other city.

Have you ever asked?

See above post. Used to be there wasn’t anyone to ask - actually there still isn’t because after the students and teachers go home, the place is locked up.

You’re paying to maintain the Lincoln Bedroom but you’re not allowed to just show up with your overnight bag and demand to stay there. You pay for military bases but don’t have free access to them. You’re paying for prisons but you can’t enter those anytime you like. You pay for God only knows how much government bureaucracy but you’re not allowed to just waltz into any government worker’s cubicle and drink their coffee.

All of those I get some use out of.

You’re bitching about schools, instead of a zillion other things you pay for with taxes that you aren’t allowed to just traipse into, solely because you don’t like kids.

There is truth to that because if I was a typical female I wouldn’t have as much problem paying out a bunch of money we really don’t have because “its for the children”. But even parents are not happy at paying for public schools they don’t want their kids going to - we keep getting moves to have vouchers. I don’t think they appreciate having to pay to teach tons of Mexican kids how to speak English.

You have some emotional issues with your family, too bad for you, but forgive me if I spare no tears for your having to pay the same taxes as everyone else.

I have no emotional issues with my family because I have no ties to them at all anymore. Haven’t seen them in over 10 years.

So, you think we should all just pay taxes and never have any concerns as to where the money is being spent?

So you take back all your negative comments in this thread on African-Americans?

You’d have to be specific as to what comments you think are negative.

[Moirai]

Earlier, you said to even sven-

Don’t get out much do you? Of course, if you are in China you may have zero idea of what it was like to grow up female in the US during the 60’s and 70’s.

She knows very well what it was like to grow up female in the US. That’s all.

In other news, you are pissed because you can’t exercise or walk the pets on school grounds anymore because of the fences? Boo fucking hoo- that’s not why they are there- that’s what public parks are for. Damn, you ARE stupid.

“Getting something for your taxes?” Holy cow. You drive on roads, water comes out of your tap, your sewer drains…

[curlcoat]

@MsWhatsit

My husband is a mailman and he’s allowed to step foot into any public school he wants. So are Fed Ex and UPS delivery guys, military recruiters, people selling fundraising stuff, photographers… No, I don’t think that too many public schools let random passersby just stop by and wander around the classrooms whenever they want, but who in the world would want to do that? It’s a school. Do your sightseeing at the mall, if you must.

People selling fundraising stuff, photographers and military recruiters can only come on the grounds by appointment and delivery guys only when they have something to deliver.

I have no interest in the classrooms or any of the buildings, it would just be nice to be able to use the acreage they sit on, unused for three months a year.

[Moirai]

But even parents are not happy at paying for public schools they don’t want their kids going to - we keep getting moves to have vouchers. I don’t think they appreciate having to pay to teach tons of Mexican kids how to speak English.

curlcoat, I send my kids to private school on my own dime, and I am happy to pay taxes to educate every single kid around here, including the children of illegal immigrants. The more Mexican kids who can learn english and get an education, the better. It’s an investment in the future, you see- it gives young people hope, and ambition, and a chance at a better life. They are far less likely to turn to crime or welfare if they see that another way of life is not only available, but achievable.

To those who think we shouldn’t be educating “those kids” in our public schools (whichever of “those” you want to stick in here is fine), I hope they are happy a few years from now when that kid who didn’t get a shot at a decent education is robbing their house, raping their wife, stealing their car and shooting their dog…

[curlcoat]

@EJsGirl

Earlier, you said to even sven-
She knows very well what it was like to grow up female in the US. That’s all.

Oh, OK, I’d forgotten about that.

In other news, you are pissed because you can’t exercise or walk the pets on school grounds anymore because of the fences? Boo fucking hoo- that’s not why they are there- that’s what public parks are for. Damn, you ARE stupid.

As I said in my post, the parks are now hard to use because the kids are also locked out of the schools grounds after hours. Since you have no idea what parks we might have here and what use they might get, I’d say that you are rather stupid to assume that they are casually available.

“Getting something for your taxes?” Holy cow. You drive on roads, water comes out of your tap, your sewer drains…

I was speaking of the taxes I pay that go specifically to the public schools here. Most of our property tax goes to the schools. We pay a separate bill for water, garbage and sewer, and the gas tax is a major portion of the road taxes.

It’s interesting the people just jump in all over me because I dare to complain about the huge waste that are the public schools here. I’m sure that if I were complaining about any other sort of government waste, there would be support but God forbid anyone complain about anything that might in some way benefit children!

[even_sven]

@curlcoat

even sven is childless at this time, but since she says is is not committed to staying that way, she isn’t childfree.

Right. So not having kids only “counts” if it is one of the cornerstones of your being? I’m not sure if I want to lead my current life of wandering adventure, or if I will want to settle down at some point. Basically, I’m having lot of fun living only for myself and not having to do the things other adults do for their kids. But I do like the idea of having Easter Egg hunts and stuff like that. We’ll see what happens in the next few years.

Anyway, I’m not “childfree” in the sense of the “childfree movement”, in part because I think it full of uptight, hateful, intolerant, high maintenance attention whores. But since I don’t have kids I think I’m automatically in the “doesn’t have kids” club, and I do have valid opinions on the subject.

Oh, does “I want to have Easter Egg hunts” count as one of your “bad reasons why people have kids?” I suppose you are one of the few people on this planet who have truly thought about and made a rational decisions about childbearing, huh?

Good lord. You know all of this how? Maybe you should go have a Google on the subject before showing how little you know.

Well, googling “percentage of people who like kids” doesn’t come up with much. But by your own admission society is heavily oriented to people who have kids. Thats because most people have kids. Even half of same-sex couples raise kids. And most people that don’t have their own kids still like kids.

People who react with extreme distaste for kids are the minority. The extreme minority. The presence of childfree communities on the Internet means shit all. There are communities on the Internet for people who get off on popping balloons.

Do you go about telling gays they are weird because “most people are heteros”?

Well, I do roll my eyes a bit on the rare occasions when my gay friends start complaining that we live in a hetrosexual culture and they resent seeing things associated with hetero romance. Now and then I meet a gay guy who acts with disdain whenever they see a bridal shop and makes mock sighs when he sees hetro couple out holding hands. Seems like pointless attention whoring to me.

I only dislike people who are rude and entitled.

Wait, this is irony, right? You are the one that somehow expects children- a good chunk of the humans in our society- to never affect your life at all.

No matter what you want to believe, it is highly unlikely that I will get any benefit from the hundred of thousands of dollars I will have paid into these schools before I die.

So you get no benefit at all from living in a society where most members have an education. Uh huh.

Anyway, I bet your school would be glad to invite you in if you wanted to volunteer for something or help out in some way. And there are usually plenty of sports games, band performances and drama productions that are open to the public. Your right that schools- like nearly every workplace- generally don’t open their doors to random strangers who just want to wander around. Not sure why you’d think it be different.

[MsWhatsit]

Huh. That must be a local thing for you. Most of the public schools around here – actually, all of the ones I’m familiar with – have accessible grounds, so that you can walk your dog or play on the playground or whatever, when school is not in session.

I agree that it would be nice for you to get to use the grounds when school is not in session. It wouldn’t make me feel particularly bitter, angry, or resentful about having to pay taxes to support the schools overall, though.

[curlcoat]

@EJsGirl

curlcoat, I send my kids to private school on my own dime, and I am happy to pay taxes to educate every single kid around here, including the children of illegal immigrants. The more Mexican kids who can learn english and get an education, the better. It’s an investment in the future, you see- it gives young people hope, and ambition, and a chance at a better life. They are far less likely to turn to crime or welfare if they see that another way of life is not only available, but achievable.

Are they? Do you have any studies that back up that belief? As far as I can tell further south here, learning some English and a few other skills isn’t making that much difference in their lives. Whether they turn to crime or welfare seems to be more a function of how they are raised than what public education they might get. You are aware that there are tons of Mexicans here that live productive lives knowing very little English?

As for the illegals, no I draw the line there. Noone is paying taxes to cover the cost of their getting an education here. Eventually, if we keep taking them in, something is going to have to give since there is only so much to go around.

To those who think we shouldn’t be educating “those kids” in our public schools (whichever of “those” you want to stick in here is fine), I hope they are happy a few years from now when that kid who didn’t get a shot at a decent education is robbing their house, raping their wife, stealing their car and shooting their dog…

Oh piffle. The only “those kids” that are at issue here are the ones who cannot speak the language and so hold up everyone else because of that misbegotten No Child Left Behind b.s. Tax money isn’t an infinite thing, particularly now, but you think we should spend it on teaching these kids to speak the language to the detriment of everything else?

[curlcoat]

@even_sven

Right. So not having kids only “counts” if it is one of the cornerstones of your being?

Its not my term, I merely use it because it is descriptive.

I suppose you are one of the few people on this planet who have truly thought about and made a rational decisions about childbearing, huh?

If you would bother to look into what you are gushing about here, you would know that most of the childfree people made a rational decision about childbearing, or rather not doing it. Myself, I knew there was no way I could be a decent parent so since I had no burning desire to have children, it would be completely unfair for me to do so. Not to mention the genetic issues in my father’s side of the family.

It would be nice if everyone made a rational decision about childbearing, instead of just blithering into it as so many do. You know, wait until they are sure they want kids, wait until they can afford them, mature and responsible things like that?

Well, googling “percentage of people who like kids” doesn’t come up with much.

Maybe you should try Googling, oh I don’t know, “childfree”? Which is what I said, not “percentage of people who like kids”.

But by your own admission society is heavily oriented to people who have kids. Thats because most people have kids. Even half of same-sex couples raise kids. And most people that don’t have their own kids still like kids.

People who react with extreme distaste for kids are the minority. The extreme minority. The presence of childfree communities on the Internet means shit all. There are communities on the Internet for people who get off on popping balloons.

None of this is counter to anything that I have said.

Well, I do roll my eyes a bit on the rare occasions when my gay friends start complaining that we live in a hetrosexual culture and they resent seeing things associated with hetero romance. Now and then I meet a gay guy who acts with disdain whenever they see a bridal shop and makes mock sighs when he sees hetro couple out holding hands. Seems like pointless attention whoring to me.

If you have any brains at all you know that has nothing to do with my question.

Wait, this is irony, right? You are the one that somehow expects children- a good chunk of the humans in our society- to never affect your life at all.

I said that where?

So you get no benefit at all from living in a society where most members have an education. Uh huh.

Not the sort offered in our public schools here.

[Moirai]

@curlcoat

Tax money isn’t an infinite thing, particularly now, but you think we should spend it on teaching these kids to speak the language to the detriment of everything else?

Huh? “To the detriment of everything else?” Your words, not mine.

Not the sort offered in our public schools here.

What do you know about the curriculum currently offered in your school district, oh childfree one? Specifically.

[curlcoat]

@MsWhatsit

Huh. That must be a local thing for you. Most of the public schools around here – actually, all of the ones I’m familiar with – have accessible grounds, so that you can walk your dog or play on the playground or whatever, when school is not in session.

And it is fairly recent. I don’t know why it happened, or why it is only the public schools, or even if it is just the grade schools since that is all we have within easy distance of my house. But, that is what happened - fenced off and locked up.

I agree that it would be nice for you to get to use the grounds when school is not in session. It wouldn’t make me feel particularly bitter, angry, or resentful about having to pay taxes to support the schools overall, though.

It might if you had no children to send to the schools or if you were sending yours to private schools because the public schools are so poor. It might if you were paying big taxes for other things that are directly to benefit children and/or parents.

Before I quit working, I was grossing over $30,000 a year. All of that went to taxes. My last job ended a year ago September and my husband was laid off March 2009. We lived on state disability payments (me) and unemployment (him) until he got another job this past October, making a little less than he used to. My (state) disability payments ran out in November and I haven’t had my Fed court date yet so I have no income. Because our state (and fed) income tax is so much lower, we are living almost as well on much less money, about $40,000 a year less. What the hell is the state of California doing with all of that money?

[curlcoat]

@EJsGirl

Huh? “To the detriment of everything else?” Your words, not mine.

Reading, writing and math. You know, the basics. You do know that parents complain about these things too, right?

What do you know about the curriculum currently offered in your school district, oh childfree one? Specifically.

The curriculum is not the issue, the results of what they call an education are.

[MsWhatsit]

@curlcoat

It might if you had no children to send to the schools or if you were sending yours to private schools because the public schools are so poor. It might if you were paying big taxes for other things that are directly to benefit children and/or parents.

No, I don’t think so. And anyway, our public school district here is excellent.

[FinnAgain]

@EJsGirl

What do you know about the curriculum currently offered in your school district, oh childfree one? Specifically.

That it’s a hot button issue that she can effectively troll.

[even_sven]

Well, Curlcoat I sure hope you are at troll. I’ve been trying to think you are sweet but a bit misguided. But you know, you seem to hate children, black people and Mexicans and have no problem spewing your hate everywhere, so I’ll spew my own.

You are ignorant. I picked up more experience about the world than you demonstrate before I entered pre-school. Your ignorant is more than crutch. Crutches are useful. Your ignorance is your bariatric bed that allows you to lay like a blob doing absolutely nothing of value. You love your ignorance. You are proud of it. You cling to it like a co-dependent woman to her no good meth-addicted boyfriend. You wouldn’t do a thing to change your ignorance because you are absolutely of the world around you. Somehow you’ve reached your advanced age without picking up a shred of understanding. To change now by learning something would rock your world so completely that you would never dream of doing it. So you are going to strut around pretending to have the critical thinking skills of a toddler because you are too damned scared to step away from your ignorance and start living in the world the rest of us live in.

You are an emotional wreck. You are massively compensating for something, which is why you get all freaky and defensive about everything. I don’t know what your family did to you, but you’ve let your bitterness take over your entire life. You are a professional victim. The blacks, the Mexicans, the patriarchy, the public schools, a conspiracy of doctors, whatever is what is ruining your life. None of this is going to make up for whatever love it is that you didn’t get at that critical moment. Your not fooling anyone. Go see a professional who can help you.

Oh yeah, you’re also batshit crazy. Anyone who loves their pets more than any human is a person with a broken and defective soul.

And your line by line refute of this can bite me. Get off the computer and do something useful!