Despite apparently being the product of a “bad idea pregnancy” herself, for some reason curlcoat thinks she has more of a right to exist than other people who are similarly brought into not-ideal situations, only because the other people are children and she’s managed to make it to adulthood.
It’s pretty shitty and classist IMO to blame children for the circumstances of their birth. It’s also pretty ridiculous to reject as a class a group that every single one of us was a member of at one time. The only reason we are all here is because once upon a time the adults all tolerated us. It’s the least we can do to pay it forward to the next generation.
Made? God no. I think it would might be a good idea if people on public assistance where given some incentive/encouragement to visit Planned Parenthood. Perhaps free transport to clinics for birth control. Not sure how that would fly though.
Not really sure of the state of sex education in our schools (US), but I’m guessing it’s pretty dismal. I feel that it should be required curriculum.
Thanks! I am aware of female infanticide; I was addressing the idea that curlcoat is pro-abortion - I don’t think the two are the same thing.
I do. I don’t see a problem with someone having the opinion that some people should be made to get abortions; I don’t hold that view myself, but I support someone else’s right to have that view.
You’re not doing too badly. I think encouraging some people to get abortions is a great idea.
I agree to that, too. Teach kids what they need to know to make better decisions; give them completely free access to all kinds of birth control (Planned Parenthood having clinics at schools, bowls of free condoms available everywhere, etc.).
Since the 1970s, it’s become less and less likely that someone born poor will ever not be poor. All that stuff you’re suggesting is great, but unless your teenage girl has some expectation of her financial circumstances improving, she’s not going to have much incentive to delay childbearing.
The only person who has even vaguely implied that overzealous joy is appropriate is Even Sven. She, along with ZPG and Curlcoat are one of the trio of idiots posting amusing amusing nonsense for the rest of us to laugh at in that thread.
Has it been your experience that every single pregnancy is met with incredibly over zealous joy, no matter the circumstances? Because none of the rest of us have seen that, and yet curlcoat claimed that it was rare for women not to react to pregnant ladies by flipping their shit.
This is the problem. She’s making a claim that is not supported by evidence, like when she says that life was so much harder for her than for anyone else, or that the world is so much worse than it was when she was a kid, or that babysitting her little brother on occasion means that she has all the experience of raising a child. The more claims she makes, the less people buy into what she says.
I’m not for “overzealous joy.” I just don’t believe that being young or being broke automatically means you will be a bad parent or that your child will have no prospects in life. Nor do I believe that being middle class or above means you will automatically be a great parent whose child is destined for success. The stuff that makes for good outcomes (love, stability) and the stuff that makes for bad outcomes (sex abuse, substance abuse, mental illness) can be found in all populations.
:rolleyes: Sure, in general I agree people people have the right to have stupid opinions. They have the right to be fucking assholes. But it’s nothing to be proud of and it shouldn’t be encouraged.
In correct, some of us are here because the adults who were in charge of us kept us out of inappropriate situations for children, taught us proper behavior and we learned very quickly not to act like bratty children and be responsible. I will gladly pay forward a childhood like mine to the next generation, but that’s not what is happening in most cases. Bad idea pregnancies are encouraged and encouragers aren’t taking responsibility for the products of these pregnancies.
I keep rereading this… “MADE to get abortions”? As in “Tie down a pregnant woman against her will, a woman who sincerely wants to have a baby, and forcibly abort it?”
Do you not feel that would be evil?
I’m really hoping I’m reading this wrong, and I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and just think that your “Hey, everyone’s cool” attitude happened to result in an inadvertent condoning of a horrible attitude.
I’m pro-choice, but I’ve never heard anyone, not even a single one of my leftie “women’s rights now!” Planned Parenthood-funding friends go so far over the line of decency to say they are “pro-abortion”. Does anyone here know someone who would label themselves like that?
It is not over the “line of deceny” to be in favor of a simple, medical procedure that is often the best solution to a host of problems. I often define myself as pro-abortion because I believe it is an option that deserves to be reinforced as a positive decision with at least the same amount of enthusiasm as giving birth. I give get-well gifts after an abortion usually beauty products and comfort foods like chocolate.
Now on face-value, this is a post I could quite happily align myself with. I too feel that an abortion can be a positive decision (and FTR, have made that decision myself). And the practice of giving gifts is a thoughtful one too.
But…and it’s a BIG but…the choice to continue or discontinue with a pregnancy must remain with the woman.
In the “World According to ZPG Zealot and curlcoat INC” who’s going to be responsible for determining what type of women are going to be allowed to have babies? What sort of conditions are going to exclude women from these choices? You speak of low-ncome families, and women with addictions…what about excluding ugly women? They might be more likely to have ‘homely’ children who will in turn probably suffer socially and economically in the future and become burdensome upon the community.
What about red-headed women who might birth red-headed children? We all know how rangas endure years of torment which leads them to develop personality disorders…should we exclude them too? While we’re about it, how about we force abortions on women whose IQ’s are under 100? We all know that those of lesser intelligence are a drain on society’s resources.
See where this goes once you start playing the eugenics game?
Now I’m wondering how you might feel about forced sterilization. Would you have a problem with that? Like that guy who asked for reduced child support because he has 30 kids. Should he be sterilized if he likes it or not?
Are you really so far gone that you have no morals whatsoever? There are things that it is wrong to think, because thinking them leads to evil actions. The idea that people should be made to have abortions against their will is one of them.
You have a fucking mental disorder. Would you like it if someone forced you to have abortions for the rest of your life? How then can you have the contradictory position that hurting you like that is an okay position to have?
I mean, murderers have the opinion that some people need to no longer be alive. To fit your supposed argument, you’d have to think that was okay, too. Fuck that shit.
Oh, and never PM me about how you support my right to say anything ever again. You’re actually the type of person that I was taught all atheists were, and the reason it was obvious that said atheists were evil.
You should give them contraceptives and cigarettes (which have an adverse affect on female fertility). Little swastikas too, possibly. In case they didn’t notice you were evil.
I think encouraging some people to get abortions is a great idea.