elmwood is arguing that Czarcasm should’ve received a mod note for threadshitting in a Pit thread (while disputing a point with Bricker) because pseudotriton ruber ruber got one for accusing someone of threadshitting in an ATMB thread.
A few people have pointed out cases where an action by a “civilian” earned a warning for junior modding, thus meeting some mod litmus text for junior modding, but when Czarcasm did the same thing, there was no warning. There’s been no response from Czarcasm’s former colleagues.
I’ll cite my example again.
Jake Jones says someone is threadshitting. Warning issued.
pseudotriton ruber ruber says someone is threadshitting. Warning issued.
Czarcasm, as a regular user, says someone is threadshitting. No warning issued.
I will say again (since you missed it in my last post and in the thread itself) that you are comparing a post in the Pit to one in ATMB. Do you see a potential problem with this comparison?
I guess I didn’t get the part where the general guideline of “junior modding = to accuse other posters publicly of violating the rules” does not apply in the Pit. Or, does it just apply to accusations of threadshitting?
Calvinball, anyone?
I am sure you’re aware that the rules in the Pit are more lax than in other forums. I can believe you think Czarcasm’s post was junior moderating, but I thought the issue here is that he wasn’t moderated for it while other posters who said similar things did get moderate. And my response is: Are you joking? He described a type of post as threadshitting. Do you really expect a mod note for that a Pit thread? I can find a couple of warnings for junior modding in the Pit, but they all went to longterm whiners and trolls like Carol Stream.
Pointing out inconsistency in modding is just another way of saying people are human. The inconsistency is not a mod conspiracy, it’s human beings being put in the position of enforcing a questionable policy. The condition exists where someone can be determined to be insulting/a jerk and warned (or not) by sheer dint of choice of a couple of words, and the resulting shitstorm takes up time better spent on anything from picking one’s belly button out on up. For what purpose? Marketing Ed Zotti’s dead cottage industry?
Ah, the pit. The magical place where the rules are more lax except when they’re not.
That’s because nobody reported it.
Which rules do you imagine are enforced more strictly in the Pit?
And yet when other infractions by Czarcasm are reported they are ignored until they can conveniently be waved away under the new ‘water under the bridge’ rule.
Wow, the reading comprehension skills of mods around here are appalling.
Try calling another poster a troll outside the Pit and see…
Either that or their basic logic skills.
Nitpick: elmwood is arguing Czarcasm should’ve received a mod note for accusing another poster of threadshitting in a Pit thread (while disputing a point with Bricker).
Right, but the point doesn’t change. The idea that someone would get a note in the Pit for accusing someone of threadshitting is laughable. Surprise, folks: The Pit is not modded the same way ATMB and IMHO are. If you insult someone else and accuse them of threadshitting (as in the other examples) in a non-Pit forum, you may very well get a mod note or a warning. In the Pit? No. The Pit is the forum where you can insult people and you can accuse them of breaking the rules, too. I did a search and here’s what I found for mod notes on junior modding in the Pit: Carol Stream got a few warnings for it (because of her terminal whining) and another troll got one warning for it. That’s it.
I’ll just throw my 2 cents in: Czarcasm is behaving as a junior mod (in fact I can’t think of a post he’s made lately that wasn’t junior modding - he even did it yesterday) and everyone needs to just shut up about it because it’s not going to change. Maybe I’m reading different forums than he is but to me it looks like he’s camped out here in ATMB just to be a jerk to people.
I don’t really care because I don’t care what junior modders say or think when they’re junior modding. I read the post, look at the poster, and 99% of the time it’s him.
Let it go, people.
Aw, shit. Yeah, I totally muffed that one. That’s what I get for trying to read ATMB when I’m high on horse tranquilizers.
For that matter, I should offer the full mea culpa and admit that my “Nobody reported it,” response wasn’t wholly accurate. It’s true, I didn’t receive any thread reports on that post at the time, but even if I had, I wouldn’t have acted on it.
In this specific instance, Czarcasm’s post wasn’t junior modding, because the behavior he was calling out Bricker over is not a violation of the rules in the Pit. While in any other forum, coming into a thread just to say, “This topic is stupid,” is against the rules, in the Pit, it’s a time honored institution. The risk of a misfired pitting is one of the things that makes posting to the Pit so interesting, and it’s an aspect of the Pit culture that we encourage specifically to keep the number of bullshit pittings in the forum to a minimum. So, in the specific exchange in question, if Bricker was threadshitting, that’s fine. And if Czarcasm felt that there was some rhetorical value in calling him out on threadshitting, that’s fine too.
More generally, I’m not sure if the idea of a rule against junior modding really makes sense in the Pit in the first place. It seems to me that, if you want to call someone an idiot for not being able to follow the rules, that should be okay. I don’t have time to look at the moment, but I’m pretty sure I could find plenty of precedent for that.
Obviously, that’s a separate issue from whether his behavior in ATMB counts as junior modding or not. I don’t find the evidence presented to date hugely convincing on that front. This is, after all, ATMB. It’s the forum that exists specifically so people can discuss the rules, and how they should or should not be implemented. Czarcasm stands out chiefly because he defends the moderation staff with the same sort of stridency that’s generally reserved from attacking the moderation staff. The only thing really noteworthy about the situation is that it turns out having people like that on our side is just as annoying as having people like that on the other side. Otherwise, it’s just business as usual for ATMB.
He’s not the only one - he is just “a jerk” to a different set of people from the usual gang.
I agree. It’s good not just for the OP but also for the other posters reading the responses from the rank and file posters and the mods alike. But I get the impression Czarcasm would like to shut down this forum altogether what with his “you should PM the mods” type responses.
Forget it, Jake; It’s Czarcatown.
Nitpick: Czarcasm was not describing Bricker’s response as a threadshit, but rather describing a post by Rand Rover as a threadshit, in response to Bricker defending Rand Rover’s post. Not that that changes the rationale one iota.
Quoted for emphasis. People are getting their panties in a wad over Czarcasm for his defending the mods, and their ire at mods is thus dumped on him, especially since he used to be a mod. Thus any pent up ire from when he was a mod combines with ire over actions by mods and gets stirred up by Czarcasm’s strident attitude, and thus you have a shitstorm of whining.
(emphasis mine)
You’re over thinking it. Speaking for myself (since you tried to), I’m annoyed only because of his “strident attitude” and what, to my reading, is jr. modding.