Daily Show 7/13/05

I just checked out that list via the link above. You could jettison quite a few of those folks, but I see a lot of names I could hang with. I wish I could be as ruinous as Ted Rall, Aaron McGruder and Noam Chomsky.

As for the interview, I think Goldberg got what he deserved. He opened himself up to the savagery with that pointing, “not that guy” bit he did right off the top of the interview. What was that all about? We didn’t get to see who he was pointing to; was it someone in the studio audience? One of the Daily Show crew? Was it an inside joke, or was he just picking on someone in the audience without provocation, probably because of the way that person looked? It seemed like the latter, and it was a real asshole move. If that was the case, Stewart was right to throw as many shots to the groin as he could.

And yeah, the new set blows. Those Photoshopped visual puns don’t come across as well on the gargantu-screen.

Julian Bond? Phil Donahue? Jane Smiley?

Good lord.

Donahue hasn’t had a successful show in more than a decade (his recent MSNBC show flopped like a catfish on hot asphalt). Bond’s main controversial statement is that there’s racism in high places in the country… uh, hello! Jane Smiley is a moderately popular novelist. These are the people who are screwing up our country?

Well, now that I’ve seen the list, I think Goldberg has a point. Who wields more power to damage our culture than Anna Nicole Smith? Everybody I know bases their life upon her teachings.

I read it, more or less - I skipped a few people who seemed boring. The book doesn’t offer anything in the way of explaining the specific order. Each of the 100 selected individuals is lambasted as an evil liberal, blah blah blah, but he doesn’t really explain why #33 is lower than #17.

Since Michael Moore is #1, I have a feeling it’s pretty much based on who “liberals” pay more attention to. Carter is really famous so he ranks really high, Franken less so so he ranks lower.

Maybe some people just think that building houses for the homeless and making sure elections are conducted properly are destroying the fabric of our society.

Of course, it still managed to be MSNBC’s highest-rated program when it was cancelled …

Oh, and there are several Democratic senators and representatives in the list, all of whom happen to be in the majority and have absolutely no impact on legislation. I mean, how bad can you be for America when you don’t even have the power to keep your microphone turned on and have to hold hearings in a basement in which someone can screw with the light switch. Yeah, they can really ruin America.

Jimmy Carter’s on the list because just as the conservatives have decided to beatify Ronald Reagan (just you wait, George W. will get his turn), they have embarked upon a campaign to paint Carter as the worst president of the United States ever, a worse president than Hitler, even. They’ve already started on Roosevelt too.

It’s all just mind-fucking, really. There’s no rationality behind it, because the purpose is propaganda, not analysis.

Yeah, Michael Moore is No. 1 … a guy who has absolutely no power or influence onver public opoinion. All he manages is to preach to the choir and not even persuade all of them that he’s not doctoring the facts a little … yeah he’s ruining America.

I wish the audience would let the interview happen instead of constantly interrupting with applause for Stewart. Jon gives all guests on his show a fair shake and its really sad that his audience is so partisan.

But Bernie is a crackpot righty tool. His only claim to fame is for writing that hack-job, Bias, which gives right-wing nutjobs a fig leaf for their threadworn “the media is liberal” bullstuff.

I do a lot of research into American social and cultural history, especially relating to popular culture and media.

The basic argument that culture is being “dumbed down” or “coarsened” has been repeated in virtually identical words in every decade for the past one hundred years. And I limit it there not because the argument doesn’t exist earlier - it most certainly does - but the societal focus on mass and popular culture didn’t truly exist in the same way earlier.

Over that century you can find the accusations coming from the left and the right, from intellectuals and the middle class, about movies, books, magazines, advertising, music, and games. The “children” are always being affected, and the adults making the accusations always say that it was different when they were children. Dire, dire consequences are always predicted for the future of America if the trend continues.

Goldberg is part of this long history. What’s truly amazing is that each decade it is approached as if it were something utterly fresh and new, and something that nobody had ever brought up in the past.

So while I kept wanting to scream at the television, “haven’t you ever read a book on cultural history, you moron?” I’m well aware that none of these tools would ever admit it if they did: it would destroy their whole argument to admit that their generation wasn’t affected by the culture that was supposedly destroying them.

Still, I have never, in all my reading, ever encountered a book that apparently puts forth a proposition that is as biased as Goldberg’s (based only on the listing and various interviews and articles, since I have admittedly not yet read the book). I’ve read the attacks on “nigger” music, on hippies as communists, on advertisers as seducers, on the stupidity of the sitcom from radio to last year, on the blatant promotion of sex to teens that will destroy their morals, on the power of “homosexuals” to destroy teen morals, and on the moral awfulness of every great writer from Twain to Hemingway to Roth. I know of nothing comparable that so refuses to equate one side of the “cultural war” with those who serve such utterly equal roles on the other.

All of the culture haters of the past had in common the notion that theirs was the only proper, moral, allowable form of culture that could be promulgated. Much of it was laughably stupid, some of it was mind-crawlingly narrow, a good deal of it was frighteningly hate-filled. Most of it could still be defended on the basic ground that popular culture is often truly sleazy, idiotic, badly-done, morally obtuse, and enjoyed by mouth-breathers who wouldn’t know something better if it came in a tub of popcorn.

All that is absolutely true of popular culture today. But this isn’t the fault of leftists. Popular culture has always been this way and always will, as long as people can make money off of it. This is not at all what Goldberg’s book appears to say, or what came out of his mouth on The Daily Show.

And that’s why Stewart should have doubled his efforts to discredit him.

It looks like you’re guilty of having perspective. Someone is probably placing you on a list at this very moment…

browses the list

Okay, Bernie Goldberg is a four-star asshole with oak leaf clusters, but I’ll give him some credit here. He listed Dennis Koslovski, Michael Savage (a five-star), Ken Lay, David Duke, Jimmy Swaggart, and Matthew Lesko. 'Course, those didn’t start until #44 on the list.

On the other hand, he listed Harry Belafonte. What, did he get The Banana Boat Song stuck in his head one too many times?

Waitaminit … is he a Gen. Asshole or a Maj. Asshole then? You can’t be both.

Isn’t he that “free money from the goverment” guy with the question-mark suit? I mean, he’s probably unethical, borderline criminal, but hardly someone of national significance, I would have thought.

Holy crap! I just saw the names on the list and noticed I went to high school with one of the people on it.

As for why Jimmy Carter is there, up until Clinton was elected, the Republicans loved to trot him out at every election for the same reason the Democrats used to trot out Herbert Hoover during the 30’s and 40’s: he was “Exhibit A” in how the inept, weak, and wishy-washy leadership of the other party left our economy
(and–in the case of Carter–our international standing) in ruins. Since then, Carter’s reputation has improved somewhat due his work for Habitat for Humanity and as an elder statesman but the right-wingers in the Republican Party aren’t the types to cut anybody like him any slack. Never mind the fact he’s been out of office for 24 years and the GOP has held the presidency for 16 out of those 24 years, a well of bile never taps out.

Yeah, that ? suit is ruining America for everybody. He’s got nothing on global warming or terrorism or committing treason.

I believe Mr. Belafonte referred to Gen. Powell and Condi Rice as “house slaves” out to please their white masters. I think Jeff Danziger made the list for similar comments in his cartoons. But hey, congressmen who threaten federal judges don’t make the list. Hmmm.

I’m off to check the Pit and see if anyone has started the conversation I really want to have about this book…

It would have been cool if, near the end of the interview with Golberg, Stewart had brought out Steven Johnson (author of Everything Bad Is Good For You: How Today’s Popular Culture Is Actually Making Us Smarter) and let the two of them duke it out for a few minutes. :smiley:

Sorry, man, but that bit made me laugh harder than anything else last night! :o

The book is not meant for normal reading by normal folks like us; its only purpose is mental masturbation wank fodder for the legions of right-wing dittoheads, who will buy anything to reaffirm their “liburils are evil!” fantasies. What, you think Ann Coulter’s books sell on their own merits?

Yeah, I looked at the list, and, ignoramus that I am, I only recognized about half the people. But even so, I saw more than three conservatives:
-James Kopp, the abortion-doctor-shooter
-David Duke, the Klansman
-Jimmy Swaggart
-Judge Roy Moore
-Michael Savage
-Ken Lay

So we’ve got two convicted criminals, a member of a terrorist organization, a disbarred judge, a man who’s probably going to prison for major fraud, and a blowhard who wishes death on his talk-show callers.

At least he has high standards for being a conservative who destroys the country.

Daniel

Just so you know, I skimmed the book yesterday, and Carter is mostly in the book because of what he did post-presidentially…for all his foreign travel and saying nice things about people like Castro.