Fair enough. (I probably overstated as well. I meant to add “with the exception of a few posters…” or some such, but I left it out.)
With all the work you put into all that quoting, it behooves me to at least acknowledge your point. 
Case made. Some people were so arguing. I just wanted to make it clear that that wasn’t what I was saying.
mhendo: You interpreted my post exactly correctly. Tapping someone in the chest with a tire iron, IMO, is not only an invasion of their physical space, but an implied threat to use it.
It wouldn’t take many blows to the head, hell, maybe only one, to kill somebody with a tire iron.
Peyote Coyote: And isn’t someone larger than another charging onto the other’s space an implied threat to use violence? lieu never answered my question as to the size difference between him and Bill.
And sometimes it only takes one punch to a person’s head to kill them.
BTW, lieu’s entire argument was that he was exercising his right to self defense.
I would agree with you, monty, about charging into another person’s space except I think lieu had plenty of provocation. Obviously, the jury thought so, too.
As I did not read much of that thread beyond the 75th post or so – beyond checking to determine the verdict – I missed the part where you asked him about his size. That could make a difference.
What provocation? What his wife told him? That’s him taking action based on something he didn’t witness himself.
I’m wondering if all the jurors had cousins in LA.
Just out of curiousity, Monty, are you a lawyer? If I couldn’t believe my wife on something so serious, I wouldn’t stay married to the bitch.
If I remember lieu’s thread correctly, I believe you said you would have run amok, too, so I suspect you of arguing for the sake of arguing.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Just out of curiosity, Peyote, are you stupid? Nowhere in that thread did I indicated that I would have been anywhere even close to being justified for running amok.
lieu justified (actually, he rationalized) his propensity for violence.
p.s. Just because the jury thought so doesn’t mean they were right. Well, it’s a legal fiction that they’re right. Doesn’t mean they were truly right.
No, Monty, I’m not stupid, but you are a coprophagous, cretinous, worthless, lying sack of shit. As the above quotes indicate, you clearly claimed you would have run amok had you been in lieu’s situation. If you could read the language, you would see that I stated that you said you would run amok, not that you said that you would be justified in doing do.
I hope you’re sterile, Monty, as you’re too stupid and arrognat to contaminate the gene pool. Do the world a favor and stick your head in a garbage disposal. Then I hope you receive a very warm welcome in the afterlife.
You, sir, are not worth the water I just emptied from my bladder.
You are a damn liar, Peyote. I say that because you purposely left out the rest of what I said, you lazy piece of crap.
Yes, I very clearly said that I very well might’ve done the same or worse.
However, I also very clearly said that I would not have come to the board as lieu did and whine about the trouble I would’ve gotten myself into.
So, yes, you are stupid.
P.s. Thanks for wishing that I go kill myself.
That, far and away, is the lowest thing any poster has ever done on this board.
I repeat: You piece of crap.
Monty, you walking chancre, when you call others liars and lazy, you merely indicate two of your many unpleasant traits. If you had the reading comprehension of sponge, you would see that the middle quote I selected quite clearly quotes you as saying: What I wouldn’t do is whine about getting myself into trouble.
I did not see any point in quoting every fucking thing a bad-tempered piece of sewage like you says because I thought one quote was quite enough to indicate my point to an intelligent person. However, it’s obvious you are about as bright as a used condom in addition to being a repulsive piece of shit. It’s a goddamn pity your mother didn’t get an abortion when she had the chance.
Furthermore, you vile, odious, syphilitic, noisome, lackbrained motherfucker, I did not wish that you would kill yourself; I told you to go kill yourself. Why not learn to read, asswipe, before making fun of the trillions of creatures smarter than yourself.? Because even the humblest amoeba has more brains and manners than a depraved, degenerate troll like yourself. As for calling me low, you really ought to read some of your own posts sometime, hypocrite.
Drop dead, moron, and quite wasting oxygen and food.
You admit, TWICE, to telling someone to commit suicide & yet you claim I’m the moron?! Truly outstanding.
You also forgot to quote the stuff in that thread where it showed how much crap your supposed argument above is.
Why don’t you take your lies & accusations to a moderator?
Congratulations, foreskin. This time you managed to pass the first grade and actually read what someone wrote.
What the fuck does that have to do with the price of cheese in Wisconsin, Richard Cranium, let alone our original point of contention? Having clearly been shown to be a lying sarcoma, you are trying to backpedal like the cowardly piece of rubbish you are.
Why shoud I run to a moderator? I am not a dimwitted wuss like you, and the day I feel I need a mod to deal with a vile, repugnant, totally classles milquetoast like you is the day I’m going to lay down and die.
I called you a lazy liar because you intentionally left out the part in that thread (which thread, btw, you said you hadn’t read all of it) where I said
You also conveniently ignore where lawyers are taking either side of the issue as to if he was provoked and/or it was self defense.
So, when you are caught out in your lie, you curse at me like your mouth is a septic tank, you accuse me of telling fibs, and you tell me to go kill myself.
And all of the above because you are just too damn stupid to recognize the difference between two simple statements:
&
I’m sure you can find at least one 2nd grader to show you the difference between the two.
& since this is still the Pit…
Nah, you’re really not worth it.
OTOH, I really hope you do get banned for your comment about killing myself.
Heh, some of you fuckers need investigate the community college’s anger management courses.
Just trying to help.
LOL! You’re absolutely right, lieu.
& yet, I’ve never told someone to go kill themselves.
Wait, let me ask a serious question here.
Y’all are getting a bit worked up. Were you to be face to face spewing the same venom, would that have any effect on how you accepted each other’s words?
It’s one thing to be 1000 miles away, hear what you heard and walk away. But if someone put you in serious (life threatening) physical jeapoardy in real life and then followed up with additional verbal threats, how would you react?
Whatever they say will undoubtably be denied and your family members may perish if you choose wrong.
Obviously, I’m mixed on the subject. My neighbor has behaved like a timid churchmouse since our incident. My guess is the guy in the pickup knew he’d screwed up by being so dedgum agressive. I don’t condone my actions but I do heartily embrace any peaceful results.
Tell me with 100% confidence how you would in a split second handle your situation.
Wow, and I thought I was bad. Monty if it makes you feel better I had someone wish a forcible rape upon me a week ago, so you know, the garbage disposal isn’t too bad eh? I like the foreskin comment. I am going to attempt to incorporate forskin into my daily lexicon. Carry on!
Oh, Rhum Runner, I don’t deny it’s creative. Just not terribly bright, IMHO. 
At any rate, lieu, let me try to answer (a) the bit about the truck driver & then (b) this thread’s hijack.
(a) Short answer: Nobody knows.
(b) Long answer: I don’t think I’d’ve gotten out of the car. & that’s because I wouldn’t trust that loon in the pickup truck to be bright enough not to try to run me down. No matter how big you are, you’re probably not big enough to hold a pickup truck off.
(b) Short answer: Nobody knows.
(b) Long answer: Some folks feel that violence is never justified (trying to get back to the Original Post theme here). And some feel that if you’re going to go to blows, it’s got to be something you witnessed personally, not something you heard about because “words are just words.” Yeah, I hate the expression too. So, in theory at least, neither TPC nor I would go to blows over this stuff. If we did, well it wouldn’t be justified.
Now, let me ask you a few serious questions, lieu.
(1) Is Bill being timid or is he biding his time? I think the answer to that is “Nobody knows.”
(2) What’s the size difference between the two of y’all?
& btw, lieu: I still think you’re a gas as a poster, as I said in that favourite posters thread.
Rhum Runner: Someone wished a rape on you? (BTW, IMHO, all rapes are forcible rapes–sometimes it’s just not physical force being used.)