DanielintheWolvesDen, let's rumble

Ok, Daniel, I contend that if employers should be allowed to test employees for the use of illegal drugs, away from the workplace, they should also be allowed to check up on employees to make sure they aren’t engaging in other illegal activities away from the workplace. This includes any potentially illegal sexual activities.

You contend that employers should be allowed to test for drug use because it is illegal, and for the most part, wrong. I contend that any sexual activity except for genital intercourse between a married couple (man and woman, not same sex) without the use of artificial contraception is wrong. Also, in some parts of the country, adultry, fornication, sodomy, and oral sex are illegal.

You state that in laws governing sexual behavior, there is some ambiguity as to the right to privacy. Why should the right to privacy be restricted to bedroom gymnastics? Should the government, or the boss, care what you do with your body in the privacy of your own home, whether it be a sexual act or smoking a joint? Why should an employer care if an employee uses illegal drugs away from the workplace, but not if that same employee engages in illegal (or immoral) sexual activity away from the workplace?

Ball’s in your court, Danny Boy. BTW, last time I checked my Bible, it was a lion’s den…

You got a thread to cite or something? Just so the spectators can see the original argument?

Dan’s getting sparked again? Hmm… big surprise…

Although I’d warn you to be careful… some of us 'Dopers like lots and lots of sex, the dirtier, the better. :smiley:

MysterEcks-

It’s in Great Debates. Titled “Employer Drug Testing”
Sorry, haven’t figured out how to do links yet, but if you care to hop over there, I think you’ll find that Dan is a bit, um, logic impaired.

Here’s the thread. Linked to page three. That where Daniel starts in.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=39725&pagenumber=3

What gives you the impression I need to hop there to figure it out?


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Thanks, barker. I’m going to try now, since I went to the trouble to hop over and write down the url and I’m too lazy to go to ATMB to practice.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=39725&pagenumber=3

Satan- sorry, I forgot. Didn’t mean to insult anyone’s intelligence.

You just look so gosh-darn cute when you’re hopping, Satan! Wear the pink bunny suit this time!

If there is one thing I hate more than weaslely pissants, it is illiterate weaslely pissants. If you could actually READ, Agi,then you would have read that- I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF EMPLOYER DRUG TESTING. There it is- all in big letters, and there is only one big word, which if you sound it out, you can do it.

Next, as far as what you and you employer agree to as far as job conditions, as long as it is NOT ILLEGAL, it is OK. Alright? Yes, I said “what you & your employer both agree to”- for that is what you do when he hires you- you work out a contract. He agrees to pay you so much, and give you certain benefits, etc, and you agree to show up and do whatever it is that you do. (By “you” here, I am using the term as a general or neutral pronoun, I am not referring to agisofia, as clearly he could not hold a job with a oven mitt). You may decide that his pay is too low, and not contract with him. The employer may also ask you to piss in a bottle for a drug test. You may also tell the employer to shove that bottle where the sun don’t shine (somebody explain that to agi).

Now, as for sexual preferences, that may very well be illegal for him to inquire- thus, he can’t.

Why is the right to privacy not extended to shooting up heroin? Well, maybe- because that is illegal. But, since I have not read all those case which say it does not, I really do not know. What I DO know, is that the Courts have decided that it does not. If you go on line, you could probably read the actual decision in one of those cases, and the Judges are pretty good at explaining their reasoning. But bring an adult, agi, to help you with the big words.

AH, what you want to do is debate that you should have the right to do drugs at home, and also the right to your privacy thereof. Why didn’t you say so? Well, maybe, maybe not. We have debated this several times, and I am unconvinced. But if you think do, fine- but it is not the current law. Maybe it should be, maybe not, but it ain’t. If the Law changed, and weed smoking was OKed, I would have no problem with it- altho I would not start smoking weed. But, it is still illegal, and that’s the Law, like it or not. Some “victimless crimes” are more victimless than others. However, I am rather neutral on this subject, so I don’t make a good debate on it. But as long as it is the Law, we should all obey it. Try to change it, sure, go ahead. I voted in favor of Calif medical marijuana.

umm, barker- thanks for the link, but I started way earlier than page 3. Reading the posts out of context would be confusing… umm, Agi, you DID read all the posts, in context, before you decided on your feeble effort to toast my ass, right? Hmm, it sure doesn’t look like it. Darn, that would be just not nice.

Gee, satan, does the word “grudge” mean anything to you? Nice bunny suit. The horns make the ears so much less floppy.

For what it’s worth, Daniel, I think your right on this issue. To me, the ‘drugs/illegal sex’ analogy is nonsense.

How is it different? In either case the employer is acting as the cops, policing your free time. If you think one is justified, the other is logical too.

Hardly. I posted this in the ‘Drug testing’ thread.

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I simply do not believe that this is true. Check out this site for some stats. http://www.freestatepreemp.com/pubpage2.htmWORKPL~2/sld005.htm
It states that drugs in the workplace means 5 times more accidents w/ injuries. That 38% to 50% of workers comp. claims involve substance abuse. Workers who use drugs are absent 10 times more than workers who do not and they utilize medical benefits 300% more. Drug users are more likely to make errors. "

Can you provide any info that illegal sex acts cause more absenteeism, accidents w/ injuries on the job, gobs of workmans comp. claims, and 300% increase in medical benefit utitization? Or any job impact at all?

There are quite a few cites from very reputable sources saying that drug use can, and frequently does have impact on the job.

2 quite unintentional, but still funny, puns.

An employer has every right to ask you to test for drugs that can have a negative effect on your work performance. Legally, you should have the right to refuse that test.

I’ll give - for situations where your figures are true you make a powerful point. But [ul]
[li]Presumably these figures apply to machinery based jobs. What about my job, where I just sit in front of a computer all day?[/li][li]Of these figures, how many could be cleared up with an intoxication rather than a residual test?[/li][li]How do these figures compare with alcohol?[/ul][/li]
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Apologies in advance for shifting the goalposts - I admit that I’ve moved on from illegal sex.

Er… I don’t mean that I personally have moved on from illegal sex…

Er… shit… not that I was ever involved in illegal sex…

shit. When you’re six feet down, stop digging.

I, personally, do not differentiate between drugs and alcohol. I realize that I’m in the minority there.

Is sex illegal where you are? Move to sunny California. Anything goes, here!

Actually, I have no idea what is meant by illegal sex (unless it involves wounding). I’m in the UK - anyone know if anything is illegal here?

kabbes, I don’t know about in the UK, but in several states, including the one I currently live in, anal and oral sex are illegal even between heterosexual married couples, let along single people and homosexual couples. Having sex without “benefit of clergy” (snort) is verboten as well.