Wouldn’t that question really be more appropriately asked of Mrs. Darwin?
Unlike you, I have not quoted a single source in this thread. I have said everything in my own words. Instead of quoting some guru, I’d much rather have a debate based on my own understanding and knowledge, using quotes only to provide support for my statements when necessary. I guess you don’t understand debating, do you?
The big question is, do you even have any knowledge or understanding of your own, or is quoting someone else all you are capable of? Can you argue your point in your own words, or is that too difficult for you?
First of all, I am not “quoting from my mind”, I am telling you what I think in my own words. My beliefs are based on mountains of emperical evidence.
As for your quoting a “spiritual authority”, well, your spiritual authority is ignorant of science, and has said things that are both ignorant and meaningless. In short, your spiritual authority is not qualified to be an authority in anything else.
Since evolution is based on science, and since your guru is not an authority on sicence, what your guru has to say about the subject is pointless.
I’m not attacking your character (well, not much), I’m attacking your sources. A spiritual guru who has no understanding of science is not a valid source for quotes that attempt to undermine a scientific theory.
No, I’m criticising my friend for attempting to buy food at a hardware store. When the hardware store tells him that they don’t have any food, he comes back and tells me that food can’t be bought, because his store doesn’t sell it.
If you want to but food, you don’t go to a hardware store.
If you want scientific knowledge, you don’t go to a spiritual guru.
My. This Prabhupada person certainly is a cunning linguist…
OP took his own thread OT, but he didn’t even bother to do it in his own words.
Who’s “they”? I get dragged to a titty bar by some friends about once every three years. Al Qaeda terrorists–and many other ‘religious’ fruitcakes–apparently spend a lot of time in titty bars. Their encyclopedic knowledge is impressive.
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Moti, quit making posts that conatins large chunks of presumably-copyrighted information, or posts that makes no effort to engage other posters in debate in your own words. This is a place for people to debate, not just copy and paste quotes from someone else, and we frown on posting large amounts of copyrighted text.
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I, and several other people, addressed what appeared to be your original points back on page one, without attacking your character, and you ignored those answers completely.
Why not? You expect us to praise your factually erroneous statements.
And, quite frankly, I have to wonder about anyone who would juxtapose the name of Lord Krishna with a vulgar term like v**ina-licking in the same thread.
And finally:
http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/sankara-life.html
If Sankara can take the time to learn about the topic that he is debating, surely we all can. I would suggest that instead of making erroneous statements about evolutionary theory, you actually find out what it is, and then debate it.
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What character? What points? All you have done is shown us the arrogant musings of an astonishingly ignorant and bigoted person. If you believe that you understand his points then it is not too much to ask that you be able to express them in your own words. If you cannot do this then it seems rather obvious that you are wasting our time here. We can’t debate a dead man. Use your own brain, this cut-and-paste crutch of yours isn’t fooling anybody.
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… or at least just post the relevant portions of the interviews. The Socratic method has made me doze off since we wore himations, and wading through several hundred lines of query-and-response makes my eyes glaze over today.
As bad as some of this is – and the argument that we have only limited knowledge, therefore the dinosaurs are not extinct is amazingly bad! – some of this has been truly informative and educational to me. If Moti had simply posted pointers to the original material and said, “Read this,” I might not have. In a weird way, I’m glad he spoon fed it to me…
Against the rules, yeah…but strangely informative… I honestly was ignorant of this particular viewpoint…
I have had the joy of attending free lectures on Maharesh Mahish Yogi’s strange conflation of zen and physics… Fascinating stuff, but, alas, garbage: they kept using terms like “wavelength” and “frequency,” but wouldn’t define them. Moti’s material is even more shallow…but I’m happy to have it, um, under my belt.
Trinopus
Sig line! 
Interesting, ain’t it?
At least our usual run of Christian creationist deal with how they feel about sexual practices in separate threads (and often doesn’t care, as long as you’re not gay). How cunnilingus MAY have some connection with abiogenesis, Big-Bang cosmology, and Darwinism is left as an excercise for the student. (Now watch him post a 3,000-word dialogue with Sri Prabhupada claiming to prove it)
See kids, this is what happens when you join a cult.
My guru says you are wrong, and he is bigger than yours.
Karandhara. Modern proponents of Darwinism say that the first living organism was created chemically.
Srila Prabhupada. And I say to them, “If life originated from chemicals, and if your science is so advanced, then why can’t you create life biochemically in your laboratories?”
Still waiting for some answer here 
And here:
Prabhupada: Do it. Again foolishness. These rascals… (laughs) Then, if you can create life, then where is the question of dead body? You create again. Give life again. If you are so competent that you can give life, combination, then this dead body is there. You bring chemicals and inject.
Pusta Krsna: The same chemicals are there, too. The same chemicals, living body, dead body–five minutes before, five after–is the same chemicals. But they can’t explain why there is such a drastic difference.
Prabhupada: What is that same chemical?
Pusta Krsna: In the living body, two minutes before death and two minutes after…
Prabhupada: So what is that? Name that, what is that chemical. Then bring it.
Pusta Krsna: Let him try and make life. Not possible.
Prabhupada: If you know the chemical, then you bring it. Chemical is available. Why this is dead? What they will answer? What this chemical is wanting, that it is dead?
Brahmananda: Well, we may not know…
Prabhupada: Then, you rascal, why you are talking? You do not know. (laughter)
Brahmananda: But, then, neither do you know.
Prabhupada: Huh? No…
Brahmananda: You can say soul, but you don’t…
Prabhupada: No. But you cannot answer my question; therefore you are more rascal than me. You cannot answer. Your… You are…
Harikesa: You have the position. He’s in a position. He cannot answer.
Prabhupada: Yes. You say that chemical is missing. I say what is that chemical?
Pusta Krsna: No, but the chemical is not missing.
Prabhupada: Then?
Pusta Krsna: The same chemical is there. Two minutes before death and two minutes after death, the body chemistry has not changed so much.
Prabhupada: No. What is that missing that it is dead?
Pusta Krsna: They can’t answer.
Prabhupada: Therefore they are fool. You cannot answer.
Pusta Krsna: Because it’s not a question of chemical. Actually they don’t know what life is.
Prabhupada: Therefore they are foolish. Therefore he has to take knowledge from Krsna: dehino 'smin yatha… “Within this body there is soul.”
Brahmananda: You say there’s a soul, but we’ve never seen a soul. It may be your imagination.
Prabhupada: You may not see. You have not seen your forefather. That does not mean… This is all bad argument. Why do you believe? Your eyes are so imperfect; still, you say, “I did not see. I want to see.” What is the value of your eyes? You see the sun globe–a small disc. But is it so? Then how do you know that it is so big?
Pusta Krsna: By hearing.
Prabhupada: By hearing. That is important, not by seeing. Therefore sruti, Veda, is important, not your eyes.
Harikesa: When people die, though, there is usually some cause. Like they have a heart attack or they get hit by a car or some disease. So that death is caused by the disease…
Prabhupada: That is not the cause. That is the effect. You foolish, do not know. You are taking it, cause.
Harikesa: Well, when you get hit by a car, that’s a cause.
Prabhupada: Just like one man becomes insolvent, loses everything. So he said that “I had no money. Therefore I become insolvent.” But that is not the fact. He could not manage; therefore there was scarcity of money and he became failure. So that is effect. On account of his bad management, he came to a position that he could not pay to his creditor, and his business is failure. So that insolvency is not the cause. It is the effect.
Pusta Krsna: Bhisma was able to remain in his body even on a bed of arrows.
Prabhupada: So when you are going to die, these are the… On account of imminent death, these are the effects.
Harikesa: But that means that the body breaks down.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Harikesa: The body breaks down.
Prabhupada: At a certain period it will break.
Harikesa: So that is the cause, the body breaking down.
Prabhupada: Yes. So you say heart failure is the cause. No. The body is breaking; therefore heart failure.
Harikesa: So death means the body breaks.
Prabhupada: No, no. First of all your answer… You say the heart failure is the cause. The man is dying. I say that because the man is dying, the heart is failure. So heart failure is not the cause. It is the effect.
Harikesa: That’s very difficult…
Pusta Krsna: Because his karma in that body is running out, he has to leave.
Brahmananda: But if I can get some machine that will make the heart keep on beating, then the man won’t die.
Prabhupada: No. That you are failure. You have got so many machines. You go on, keeping the heart going on. That is not possible.
Harikesa: Finally they just pull out the plug. The doctor kicks the plug one day.
Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes.
Brahmananda: At the present moment, I was reading, there is one girl in America, New Jersey, teenage girl. And for some unknown reason she went to sleep one night, and in the morning she did not wake up. So they then rushed her to the hospital, and they have an artificial machine that is keeping her alive, and this has been going on for one month. All of her bodily functions are becoming more and more diminished, but still, by this machine, she is alive. Now this has gone on for one month. So now they don’t know what to do with her. Should they keep her like this, just running on the machine, or should they stop the machine and then she will die? This is a big legal problem. They don’t know what… If they stop the machine, they’ll be accused of manslaughter.
Pusta Krsna: Some Catholic priest said that better to let her die, because this is God’s way.
Prabhupada: Then he has to accept the God’s way and give up the machine.
Pusta Krsna: But in a situation like that, isn’t it more valuable to preserve human life because there’s the chance…
Prabhupada: What is the use?
Pusta Krsna: There’s a chance that somehow or another, they might be…
Prabhupada: Why should you take the chance? You are perplexed with overpopulation. And why you want to stay? One side, you are perplexed with overpopulation. Let him die.
Pusta Krsna: But they can use the argument that you’re saying that human life is simply for Krsna consciousness or God consciousness.
Prabhupada: No, from his argument, why should you try to keep it? Let him die.
Cyavana: They are afraid of death. No one wants to die.
Pusta Krsna: They are afraid someone will take them off the machine, too.
Cyavana: We want to live as long as we can.
Prabhupada: Then you have to accept that your killing child, abortion, that is sinful.
Cyavana: It’s easier for the mind to accept what is apparent to the senses. For example, to accept that I am this body is easier for my mind than to accept a philosophy which you say that we are not this body. That is very difficult for my mind to accept, whereas I can accept very immediately that I am this body.
Prabhupada: Because it is difficult, therefore you are a fool. That proves that you are a fool.
Cyavana: Why should I strive for something so difficult, such a philosophical understanding, when I can live very happily with this body?
Prabhupada: But because you do not want to die. You want happiness.
Cyavana: So I can enjoy this body.
Prabhupada: You cannot. That is the difficulty. You want, but you cannot. You want. That I know. But you cannot do it.
Harikesa: You never see happy people.
Prabhupada: That is their ignorance. They are accepting unhappiness as happiness.
Brahmananda: Well, in this world there has to be some unhappiness and there has to be some happiness.
Prabhupada: But we are trying to give you happiness only, no unhappiness.
Cyavana: But that’s not possible.
Brahmananda: That’s artificial.
Prabhupada: That you say, but we know.
Cyavana: We cannot see.
Prabhupada: You cannot see, but you will see if you be trained up. That is Krsna consciousness movement.
And this one has had no good answers yet:
So where is your knowledge? “It may be” and “perhaps.” Why you are taking the post of a teacher? “In future we shall understand.” And what is this future? Would you accept a post-dated check? “In future I shall discover, and therefore I am scientist.” What is this scientist? And, above all, our imperfectness of senses. Just like we are seeing one another because there is light. If there is no light, then what is the power of my seeing? But these rascals they do not understand that they are always defective, and still, they are writing books of knowledge. What is your knowledge? We must take knowledge from the perfect person.
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Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore they are fools. The same philosophy. The pot man is thinking of becoming a millionaires, pot. By thinking so, he has become millionaire. So these fools are like that. Thinking that in future they will make all solution, they are presenting themselves as perfect scientists. That is their foolishness. Our proposition is: “First of all you prove that you are, you are millionaires. Then talk of all this nonsense. You cannot prove, and still why you declare yourself as scientist?” Scientist means one who has got perfect knowledge. Is it not?
Svarupa Damodara: Yes.
Prabhupada: That is scientist. But you haven’t got that. But why you…? You are punishable. Just like if somebody is not a bona fide medical practitioner, but he gives: “Doctor M.D.,” he’s punishable. There are so many bogus. They are not detected. But if they are detected, they are punishable. If you say that: “Yes, I am a student, I am not a scientist, I have no full knowledge,” that is right. You have no perfect knowledge. Still you say “There is no God.” How is that? You have no perfect knowledge. How do you say there is no God. Eh? They say there is no God.
Svarupa Damodara: Yes.
Prabhupada: So if they admit they have no perfect knowledge, how they can say there is no God, or there is God? They cannot say.
Svarupa Damodara: They are very doubtful.
Prabhupada: Doubtful. That means not perfect knowledge. So how they can say that there is no God. They can say: “Yes, there may be or may not be. We do not know.” That is a gentleman. How they can say there is no God? And people are misled. “Oh, such and such scientist has said there is no God. Therefore there is no God.” He does not know that he’s a perfectly foolish. His statement has no value. Yad yad acarati sresthah lokas tad anuvartate, because he has posed himself as a very big man, people follow him blindly and they’re misled.
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Umapati: Well, the argument that has been presented is that “Well we don’t have it now, but soon we’re to have it. So…”
Prabhupada: That any rascal will say. What is the difference between you and the rascal? Any rascal will say, that “I am trying to…” What is the use of these scientists? Any rascal will say. Trust no future, however pleasant. You can talk of all pleasant things in future, but you don’t trust it. You as you don’t trust, because you do not see soul, you don’t trust. Why shall I trust you, you rascal, that in future you shall be very great scientist? You do not trust because you do not see. There is no soul. You cannot see. So why shall I trust you? What is the answer? That in future you will be able to do something extraordinary. Why shall I trust you?
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Why they cannot invent some means, a tablet, that “At the time of my death, push this tablet in my belly. I’ll not die”? Why they are unable to do so? Who can answer this? Why the rascal scientists do not manufacture such things that there’ll be no death for the scientists? Hm? What do you say? Anyone for scientists can plead? (laughter)
Devotee (1): They want to do it, Prabhupada, but they cannot.
Prabhupada: That is complacence. What is called? “Yes, in future we shall do.” That’s all. Then at present you cannot do. Then you are imperfect. Why you are declaring yourself as scientist? Scientist means who is in full knowledge. That is scientist. And if you are not in full knowledge, how you are scientist? “Big, big scientist, big, big belly, Ceylon jumping, melancholy.” Rascals say that chemical, combination of chemical, makes life. So we challenge that you begin from an egg. Everyone sees the egg–some white substance, some yellow substance, covered with some shells. So just manufacture it and give it to the incubator, and let the chicken come. Why you take the egg from another living chicken? What is the answer? You rascal, you make one small egg. We can see there are some white substance, yellow substance, so you combine some chemicals, white and yellow, and cover it with celluloid shell and put it under the incubator. You get. Why the rascals cannot do it? And still, the rascals will say that life can be…, is combination of chemicals. Give this challenge to these rascals, that “Life is… If it is combination of chemicals, why don’t you do it, the simple thing?”
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