It’s great that you guys are making apologies for Marvel, and I agree that they’ll find a way to bring Cap back to normal. But this is still a stupid gimmick to drum up sales. It’s the comic equivalent of clickbait.
It’s a twist in the first part of the story.
Ummm…about that-Still want to put your money down on that?
I’m just hoping DC starts the new *Prez *up again. I liked that.
I saw Flashpoint as a jumping-off point, though I have bought some DC books that were outside the core of whatever Geoff thinks he’s doing. I’m just about ready to dump Marvel as well for a while.
I’m not bothered by Steve Rogers being a HYDRA spy, because I’ve actually read enough Captain America comics to know that it could be something the Red Skull did with a Cosmic Cube. (Man, like all that weirdness over Sam Wilson’s origin). Captain America has a *long *history of dumb weirdness.
I didn’t actually quit Marvel with “(There is only) Secret Wars” even though the writer was* selling it as the perfect jumping off point.* I was inclined to skip “Civil War II” but I guess I’ll just get the issues of my books that cross over into it and ride it out. Depending on what shape the MU is in at the end, and how upset I am at Marvel (is Jen dead, or just in the hospital?), I may stick around. But as much as I’ve been enjoying Marvel, I’m not going to enjoy this crossover, & I think I’d rather put the comics budget into imports & small press stuff.
That’s missing the point. Even if they have an excuse lined up for their Captain America Is A Nazi plotline, that they even wanted a Captain America Is A Nazi plotline is more than enough reason to be rid of them. Tying continuity in knots to justify their latest stupid idea isn’t the solution, it’s part of the problem.
I’m reading a lot from fans who are kind of ticked regardless of how the Cap story ends up, seeing something kind of dismissive and offensive in taking a Jewish created character meant to fight against the Nazis and, well, making him a Nazis. Brings to mind what they’ve tried to do with the Magnus family, never mind romanticizing Hydra.
I’ve also read guesses that this is trying to cement Sam Wilson as Captain America, which if true is dumb.
Looking at the comic, all I can think is: “Oh, wow, they’re bringing back Wally West, the JSA and Ted Kord?” I may start reading DC again.
Or *69. “Last Number Dialed”
And Legion.
That’s how I felt until the last 2 pages.
Hey, maybe it’s just Mr. Mxyzptlk having a laugh.
And this is why I only read Marvel. Or did, back in the day. Sounds like it sucks these days.
…that’s…that’s freakin’ crazy-brilliant. If they did that, it would be the best damn plot twist ever.
Seriously–that’s magnificent. I take my hat off to you Professor. 
If you think that’s part the problem, you’re missing the point of superhero comics. 
I’m thrilled with Rebirth, it’s the best fix for the New 52 I could have realistically hoped for. Putting the blame on Dr. Manhattan as a proxy for the ‘grim and gritty’ trend that Watchmen started works fine for me.
And with Hydra-Cap and Civil War 2, I can just shift my reading dollars back from Marvel to DC. Easy-peasy.
Bah. That line of Doctor Manhattan’s that they built the issue around – where, after regaining interest in human life, and choosing to preserve life, he talks about maybe creating life – that’s on the heels of him giving Laurie a warm and human smile. It’s not grim or gritty; it’s contemplative, but it’s upbeat – and it’s followed by Laurie meeting with her mom and explaining that everything is okay and hugging her and forgiving her, and Dan is there and still as enthusiastic about helping people as ever, and the sun is shining and optimism is all over the place.
Despite that mantra being consistently repeated, the New 52 wasn’t all ‘grim and gritty.’ People just chose to focus on the grittier aspects, then bring out their broad brushes to paint.
As usual, its biggest sin is that it changed a bunch of stuff.
I’ve decided not to care about the big picture years ago. I buy comics that are funny (Starfire) and seem to have their own universe (Hellcat, Thor).
Doctor Manhattan? What happened, did Superboy-Prime break his wrist?
I’m on the fence as to whether or not I’m likely to take up comics again. Certainly the Legion and JSA are two things that I miss most from before Flush-point. But I really have no confidence that the current DC crew isn’t going to pull this again in two more years if sales disappoint.
I don’t follow Legion these days. Please let me know what’s going on?