During the civil rights era the KKK (members of which generally professed to being Christians - go figure) blew up some black churches. Not for any religious reason but because the black churches were generally involved in the civil rights movement.
Then there would be a video of it. Thus the comment.
Yes, an organization designed to overthrow Republicans in the South during the Reconstruction Period by attacking the black vote. We get it. It has nothing to do with the unnecessary Emo Christian terrorist comments by buddha_david right out of the gate in post 3. All of which appeared to sail over your head.
But thanks for your input.
This is turning into a hijack so everyone stop. If you wish to talk about Christian terrorism or violence during the civil rights movement or whatever take it to a different thread.
Cetin holds permanent United States residency[17] but is not an American citizen.
Cetin was arrested without incident on the evening of September 24 in Oak Harbor, Washington. Online records show that Cetin had priors, having been arrested in July 2015 on charges of assault in the fourth degree.
KIRO reports that as a result of the charges, Cetin was ordered to undergo mental health counselling which he completed in March 2016. The court also imposed an order for him not to take drugs or drink alcohol. As of 25 August 2016, no breach of the court order against Cetin had been identified.
So he has a history of assault and was ordered take counseling for it. And if he’s ordered not to drink or do drugs that implies a history of it but lawyers on the board can address that.
Cetin attempted to buy a gun two hours before the shooting.
Arcan Cetin walked into a gun store and attempted to buy a .45 caliber handgun two hours before the shootings. Gun store clerk Aaron Wilson refused to sell him one when Cetin asked about avoiding the mandatory background check.
Cetin had been ordered to have treatment for mental health issues, and was involuntarily committed to a hospital for two months. I think the involuntary committal might not have shown up on a background check, to protect his civil rights. But the ‘series of criminal charges’ should have appeared if the gun store had run the background check. (Moot point, since the BGC isn’t done until the purchase is initiated, and the clerk wasn’t going to sell him a gun in any case.)
There are also reports that he had some interest in ISIS.
And that he may have voted illegally.
Charming guy.
My stepfather voted illegally for half a century. Like Cetin, everyone assumed he was automatically a citizen when he came to the United States as a minor. (I think he was about ten years old.) He joined the Air Force, had a security clearance, worked, paid taxes, and yes, voted. It was not until his father died and they needed a passport to take his ashes back to Finland that he found out he was not a citizen. After living almost his whole life here, he finally became one.
I would not be too quick to assign malice to ‘voting illegally’. Cetin may have assumed he was a citizen, just like my stepfather did.
Your stepfather didn’t know he wasn’t a citizen?
That is correct. Everyone assumed he was automatically a citizen because his parents were naturalised and he was a minor.
Arcan Cetin, man accused of killing 5 in Cascade Mall shooting, dies in jail
The Skagit Valley Herald reports that he apparently hanged himself.
Good.
R. I. P.
Rot in Pieces.
Phew, when I saw the thread title I thought: “Oh fuck, not again!”
I’m of two minds about this. First, the guy deserved to die painfully, and it spares the survivors and the victim’s families the trauma of a trial. On the other hand, it denies them closure. If I were in the family’s shoes, I certainly would’ve preferred to look that asshole in the eye as he’s sentenced to life in prison. But that’s just me.
Per the article, Cetin suffered from disruptive disorder, depression, anxiety and attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder. He was mentally ill. Does this excuse his actions? Of course not. But I don’t think he ‘deserved’ to ‘die painfully’. And now he no longer exists. His punishment is over.
I wasn’t aware of that. Point taken.
Question: I see that Washington has had a moratorium on the death penalty since 2014, even though capital punishment is still on the books. Does that mean no new murder cases are death penalty-eligible, even for a guy like this?
I don’t know. As a layman, I presume people may be sentenced to snuffage, but the state won’t croak them as long as the moratorium is in place.