Debt collection letter received after 32 years

I sent my Virginia tax return off a few weeks ago and was expecting a $181 refund. Yesterday I got a letter from George Mason University, which I attended for one semester in the fall of 1991 saying I owed them $490 and that they were taking the $181 from my refund. I can’t imagine what I could owe them, I paid my student loan off in the mid-nineties and I certainly did not get my books on credit. I moved to DC in 1992 and then to NYC until last year, and am now back in my hometown in VA, so I understand they did not have my address. But a few months before I paid my loan off my Dad got a letter from them about it. He never received any other letters from them.

Anyway I am sending a letter to them asking them for proof that I owe the debt, we’ll see what they say.

"I received your highly amusing letter yesterday and showed it to all my friends. They got a kick out of it and one acquaintance, a reporter at (fill in the call letters) television asked if he could do a report on it as a human interest story! Would you mind if I handed the letter over to him?

Thank you
Mike Mabes"

Question: Was it on their letterhead, or could it have been a debt collector they sold the debt to?

it was from George Mason. Oh I also got a letter from the state of VA saying that I owed either a state or local agency or the IRS, to direct further letters to GM

It’s evident the computers agree: You owe the money.

Whether there is any proof behind their belief and whether you can convince a human to override the computer is another question. And now is the only question that matters.

Sending a letter is nice and is an essential part of preserving your legal rights should you choose to fight them. But calling the appropriate office at GM is far more likely to produce the answer you want before they’ve had your $181 so long that it’s irretrievable.

I’ll call them. I’ve read on a couple of web sites that in VA most debt expires after 5 years, although for student loans (which I know I paid) it could be 20 years. The letter from the state of VA just said they were notified about the debt.

It may be a single computer system, which (unsurprisingly) agrees with itself.

It’s important for the OP to determine just what notification was sent about this debt, and whether the 5-year statute of limitations applies.

Also relevant: Does GMU cause a record of unpaid debt to be entered on a person’s credit report (not legally required, but a very common practice)? Did they do so in this case?

My credit rating is 840 with no derogatory marks. The letter did not say what I owe them for. If it was a federal student loan, the IRS would have taken it years ago, right? And why would George Mason be asking me for it? Would it not be the Federal Goverment?

Too late to edit, the GM letter just says University Dept, Student Accounts. I can’t anyone on the phone right now

Maybe parking fines?

My university had a three day grace period at the start of school. Anyone without a parking sticker got tickets. They also restricted the lots you could park in. The color of the sticker indicated the lots the car could use

You paid off your student loan, so it’s not that. There are a couple of possibilities- it could be something like parking fines or lab breakage bills or unreturned library books that would have kept you from graduating or registering for the next semester but you never got the bill in the mail and weren’t made aware when you tried to register the next semester because you never did try to re-register…

The other possibility is that you were credited for some financial aid that was later reversed leaving you owing that amount. I don’t know exactly how you stopped attending , but let’s say you registered for the spring semester and the financial aid was credited and then you never attended but also didn’t withdraw during the full refund period. The financial aid would be reversed (because of non-attendance) and you would owe the tuition.

32 years since you graduated?! With no explanation or dates of transactions or enrollment?That would be a huge red flag to me and I’d be suspicious of identity theft.

I decided to move rather abruptly, can’t remember if I had alredy registered for spring, but even if this is the case, it seems like any money I owed would have been included in the letter they sent about paying off the loan, or that the IRS would have taken the money long ago. I hope chela is right and that it is parking fees because I did not have a car or a license then. Not sure how I would prove that now. I seem to remember losing my wallet once in Fairfax, although maybe I am thinking about when I was in NYC and lost it and someone racked up hundreds of dollars in parking tickets in Queens. That was a nightmare to get resovled. Mabye it was the same guy.

Nope - the loan and and any money you owe to the school are entirely separate and the IRS is not going to have anything to do with money you owe the school. The IRS only offsets refunds for certain debts like student loans, past due Federal or State tax, student loans or spousal/child support. They should be able to give you details regarding what they claim you owe and hopefully once you reach them, you will be able to figure it out.

I received a letter in 2012 telling me that I owed for a bounced check from 1986.

For $3.34.

The accompanying letter also indicated that if I didn’t pay up, along with a $128 ‘recovery fee,’ that a warrant would be issued for my arrest.

You should have sent a check for $3.43, forcing them to send you a refund for the 9 cents difference.

I for one eagerly await your follow-up post about the source of the so-called debt and the resolution.

I wonder if it’s mistaken identity? Someone with your name owes them money, and they found you, not that person. Identity theft is also possible, but this seems like a weird first impact of identity theft.

Definitely call them and try to unravel it.

In semi-related news involving my deceased first wife.

She died in late 2021. About 6 months later in early 2022 I started receiving monthly bills addressed to her from the hospital / clinic about an unpaid $8K bill from early 2019. So the charges were 2-1/2 years old when she died, and 3 years old when I got the first bill. It appears that for some reason the medical insurer rejected one day of her ongoing chemo treatment. But they’d paid for the prior week(s) and subsequent week(s) promptly way back when. Why not this week? A mystery to be sure.

After a couple months of ignoring these bills because I just couldn’t muster the oomph to mess with this stuff, I called the local hospital billing / collection folks who were nice, but resigned to the abject idiocy they administer every day. They already knew she was deceased, they already knew the creditors’ claims period on her estate had run before they sent their first bill, so the debt was legally uncollectible. But there they were, sending out bills to her.

I said I’d be happy to help them get the insurance reimbursement they were rightly owed, since the treatment that day was real. They resubmitted the charges to insurance and told me to ignore any bill that showed up in the next week or so while their update was flowing through the system. So I ignored that next week’s bill, no more came in later months, and I thought the problem solved.

Meanwhile, just after talking to the hospital billing folks I had called the insurance call center (ouch!) to vouch for the charges. And got no satisfactory answer as to why they hadn’t been paid the first time. “A glitch” was about all the nice lady in India could tell me. And something about “maybe missing records”.

Fast forward almost a year to early 2023. The hospital’s bills in my wife’s name start coming again. Same amount, same date of treatment. Like last time I ignored the first couple of them. Just not looking forward to messing with this one last leftover turd in my shiny new punchbowl.

Yesterday I got a letter from a local collection agency about this unpaid bill; same dates and amounts and they cite the hospital as the original creditor. But now my wife owes the debt to the agency, not the hospital. OK, so far so normal for deadbeats. The letter had all the usual boilerplate including the federally mandated notices about my rights and responsibilities. Plus a local number to call.

I call, and after a brief wait in queue “because your call is important to us” a surprisingly pleasant woman comes on the line. I explain that my wife is deceased, the creditor’s claim period ended 2 years ago, and the debt is null & void. She says “Oh, we’re sorry. I’ll annotate the file and you should not hear from us again unless we need further documentation. Which we usually don’t”.

She offered her condolences about three times and thus ends a 4-year long saga of one clinic trying to collect one bill for one day’s services. I wonder how much total administrative expense was involved between all parties from end to end?

Hospital billing is awful. I once got a hospital bill years after the service and even though it was the first bill, it had the threats to send me to collections. It was only a couple hundred dollars. I called the hospital and they said I was getting the bill because my insurance didn’t pay. Call the insurance company - they didn’t pay because their contract said the hospital had to bill within X months. Also said if my insurance didn’t pay because it was late, they couldn’t collect it from me. I guess someone thought that just pay without asking any questions because the amount was so small.

Absolutely this.