Debunk (or not?) this pro-Bernie post about Nevada

I got the following my FB feed. Can anyone fill any details? Is this a remotely fair description of what happened?

Here is the KOLO News 8 story about the incident.

FWIW the abc news report.

I was not there but that’s the reporting of it.

Really? Death threats? Wow.

It may be that the anger stems from a false belief by some of Team Sanders that they had successfully outmaneuvered team Clinton and managed a delegate win in Nevada despite losing the vote on caucus day.

So apparently they went in believing they had this “win” (as the poster on your FB seemed to believe as well) … actually a win against the democratic process, but hey rules are rules … and when it turned out that some of those delegates they picked up in the second round were actually not qualified as delegates and the win they did not have turned out to pretty much be no gain on results of election day they got pissed.

Here’s the NYT version.

Sanders’ response so far is by way of a spokesperson.

Speaking as a member of “the party”, those particular people we can do without and such should be made clear by all, including him.

Wow. I feel lucky that Democratic Party officials in my district have been supportive of the Bernie movement. I can see how that could get ugly quick.

Death threats are a bit much, yeah.

Heavens to Betsy! Hillary won the primary and got more delegates? UNFAIR!

Expect this to continue, and get worse, until Sanders finally concedes. The more desperate the odds get, the harder his core supporters are going to fight.

Here’s a description of what happened from a Nevada congressional candidate who was at the convention. He seems to be a calm rational individual (as opposed to the idiots making death threats) but obviously it’s his spin so take it for what it’s worth.

Then there’s this:

The no votes sound louder to me but I wouldn’t swear to it. It seems like there should be a better way to take a vote on such things.

The proper procedure then is for someone to call for a “division” – a counted vote, which will then show which position had the majority. If nobody did that at the time, then the vote result as announced stands.

I’ve been an official at several such Conventions this spring, and this frequently happens.

There’s also talk that some delegates had their registrations “mysteriously and accidentally” altered that prevented them from voting. Hint hint.

According to the man in the video I posted in post #9 a lot of delegates were late because there was inadequate parking. Technically, by the rules, tough luck for them; but if true it hardly seems Democratic to dismiss them for being late when it wasn’t their fault.

With Hillary’s sizable advantage, these shenanigans would be unnecessary, no?

Each Delegate has an Alternate.

If the delegate is not there by the Credentials report, an alternate who is present can be seated in place of them. (Usually, the alternates are supporting the same candidate.) But if the delegate arrives later, they get to take their place, and the alternate is taken off the floor.

But to make this work for your candidate, you have to be organized enough to have your alternates present on time, and to know who & where they are when needed.

It does sound like the Sanders campaign may not have been as organized as it should have been. If I’m a delegate, for whoever, I would make sure to be there VERY early, possibly even getting a room in the hotel.
In fact, it strikes me that the campaign should have gotten rooms in that hotel for it’s delegates. He’s apparently still bringing in plenty of money.

Right. Why not bend over backwards to be fair? She’s winning anyway and the last thing they should want to do is alienate Sanders’ supporters for the general.

Yep…
It’s all Hillary’s fault:rolleyes:

I do not believe that the Sander supporting delegates at the Nevada convention are in any way representative of those who supported Sanders across the country. Those particular relatively few supporters I very seriously do not want on the same team that I am on.

I have seen much through this primary process that has been nothing less than misinformation campaigns by some who identify as Sanders supporters via social media to other Sander supporters making all sorts of absurd claims of Team Clinton orchestrating complicated cheats rather than accepting that they simply lost. Yeah, in this case over at most maybe a two delegate shift, that could potentially have changed Nevada from 20 to 15 Clinton to 18 to 17 Clinton.

The concern now being expressed is that some of these particular sorts of supporters, the sorts who throw chairs and make death threats when they believe that a vote against them must have been “unfair”, are represented as delegates going to the convention, where their perception will be that the only “fair” convention outcome will be if not having the superdelegates en masse over-rule the pledged delegate and popular vote results and give Sanders the nomination, then minimally having Clinton adopt all of his policy positions.

This election can be lost. Pandering to a few who would resort to threats of various sorts if they do not get all that they want is not a way to win it, but I do fear that some of this sort of behavior becoming the media focus at the national convention can do great harm.

Bingo!

And yet Bernie Sanders wants us to believe that they’re competent and ready to run trillions of dollars of public bureaucracy. The reason why most ‘revolutions’ typically fail over the long term is that, in the end, the urgency of a revolution is quickly replaced with the necessity of administration and governing, which revolutions often know nothing about. While will always admire Bernie for his passion and while I do want him to have a voice at the convention and beyond, it is beyond clear that he has no business running the country and he really ought to do everyone a favor and get out of the way before he damages Clinton’s chances beyond repair.