I think someone really needs to get laid.
Some of the absurd perspectives carried away to validate their behavior are:
So and so must be gay
So and so is not interested in me
So and so is a creep
So and so is impatient
So and so is a jerk, asshole
So and so is a complete idiot
So and so is just a player
So and so has no confidence
So and so is shy
Females say rediculous stuff like this after completely dissing some 40 year old virgin. That’s indicitive of the sheer ignorance involved in the female selection process – they bank these silly perspectives off of themselves; when it has absolutely nothing to do with wither that persons qualities or sexual performance ability. This is how insidious the counter-intelligent applications are. Females are delusional when the sexual selection process is engaged.
This comes back to the issue of consent and control. Delusional people are very easy to manipulate; that does not however make it acceptable behavior.
-Justhink
So and so thinks they’re too good for me
So and so is aloof
So and so is too talkative
So and so doesn’t talk enough
So and so has high standards
Talk about BS. These gossips are insane. I’m astonished that females can actually perform even the most rudementary tasks at times.
As for me ‘needing to get laid’; welcome to most of the male population.
-Justhink
So are you 30 or 40?
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Uh, because I’m not in the habit of having sex with men in the first place, and I’m not about to make an exception for a misogynist with delusions of grandeur.
I’m sure you’d like to get some credit for your honesty; many men clearly think they’re automatically smarter than any woman they might happen to meet, but you come right out and say it! Your weird little theory even holds up insofar as you would probably have better luck with women if you hid your honest(ly bigoted and possibly deranged) opinions on this matter. Of course, you’d have even better luck if you sincerely stopped believing that you are automatically smarter than any woman you may happen to meet, but that would involve becoming a better person and I’m sure you can’t be bothered.
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Words cannot express how little this surprises me.
If you want your delusions explained to you, you should seek professional help. I mean that. Seriously.
BTW in order to address a question from Page 1:
Technically, according to my jurisdiction’s Penal Code, if through disguise/deceit/Jedi Mind Trick you fool a woman * into believing you are her husband * and get her in bed (which is a lot easier if you’re his identical twin) you could technically be charged with a form of rape. Though I bet this is one of those subclauses that are hardly ever invoked, to avoid all the embarassment.
I’m in the “deception is fine under these circumstances” camp. The only time I’d see the need-to-disclose line crossed in a one night stand is if one party isn’t honest about the fact that it’s just that: a one night stand. If both people agree to a booty call, fine. Why anyone would expect full disclosure (whatever that is) and honesty from someone they plan never to see again is beyond me.
Oh, and Sua? You might think that after all this time you’d have gotten better at pretending to listen. 
“”"""""“Uh, because I’m not in the habit of having sex with men in the first place, and I’m not about to make an exception for a misogynist with delusions of grandeur.”""""""""
It was symbolic of your own process in regards to how you handle contradictions that place pressure on your mind and body in regards to your sense of will all at the same time. A phenomenon I believe to be fundamentally human in general.
Qualify and/or quantify these arguments. My arguments have not been well addressed in terms of the reason to use the absolute of ‘inability to rape men’ as the virtual setting for deciding the consent issue on a broad spectrum, and what conclusions can be drawn from this. I am prepared to have a debate on the topic, in a debate forum rather than being relegated to psychiatry.
“”“Words cannot express how little this surprises me.”""
Touche =) Honesty meets ridicule - you were baited =(
“”"“If you want your delusions explained to you, you should seek professional help. I mean that. Seriously.”"""
"How can I have my delusions explained to me if they aren’t even defined? Do I visit a psychiatrist and say; “Someone named Lamia on an internet message board told me I have delusions that only you can explain to me - I was in the process of attemtping to lay a framework from which to make a decision in regards to approaching a debate on sex, ethics & consentuality… she refused to supply any evidence of delusion or any effort to qualify her judgements of bigotry, derangement, misogyny (a word I had to look up incidentally) and delusions of granduer. Paradoxically, she entered these judgements without qualification after I posted a series of judgements women typically take; unsupported and unrelated, to validate a behavior which I was articulating - and that the energy gained from the theft of these false judgements appeared more valuable in the selection process than locating an actual partner. Hmm… so, we can work on your theoretical frameworks adopted for your practice if you like - aparently insurance will pay for it; you’ll have more efficient tools with which to generate your diagnosis of me.”
“”"""""""""""""""""“I’m sure you’d like to get some credit for your honesty;”"""""""""""""
Eventually honesty becomes all there is; while validation would certainly be appreciated, it presents itself as uninherent in the event that we all possess the same tools of potency. To that degree, a seeking of validation will corrupt the process of honesty itself; validation is given and recieved, not taken or stolen.
“”""“many men clearly think they’re automatically smarter than any woman they might happen to meet, but you come right out and say it!”""""
Of course I say it, because
a.) I don’t believe it
b.) You do believe it (although, I’ll be more than happy to submit to the deranged perspective in replacement of intelligent; plenty of patterning for that one)
Are you assuming (in the event that I’m even correct on this topic); that it matters to me that a male wrote it; or that females cannot comprehend it? I talked earlier about the difference between knowledge and intelligence - knowledge bridges the gap of intelligence’s selective advantage. Intelligence levels will cease to mean much when knowledge has been adequately abstracted; so the topic is moot IMO.
“”“Your weird little theory even holds up insofar as you would probably have better luck with women if you hid your honest(ly bigoted and possibly deranged) opinions on this matter.”"""
This is astute! It does not address the motive for the deselection, or the pattern of deselection which I have been addressing - and how that may render any other act as rape; in accordance with the OP.
“”"""“but that would involve becoming a better person and I’m sure you can’t be bothered.”"""""
I’m ‘bothered’ right now. You can tell me how to be a better person anytime you wish; you can start a pit thread and argue all of my values one by one if you wish. We can narrow down all of my incorrect values with precision and clarity. I’ll make a concerted effort suspend my selective listening skills, and overcome my grandiousity; or suspend it as the case may be.
-Justhink
Actually, I know rather a few men who were raped by women.
And their major problem was that people refused to believe them, or laughed at them, or told them that since men always want sex, they obviously gave consent.
You fail to consider either that physical responses are not necessarily a reaction to arousal, or, for that matter, that arousal is not necessarily consent, and that men are entirely possessed of orifices that can be penetrated, and that a majority of human beings have access to fingers or “sex toys”.
I am certain that the men who have been raped are thrilled to know that this level of demeaning and belittling of their experience is being promulgated unquestioned, and that other people who have had their experiences will know that they can go through the same invisibility and derision.
I find it difficult to discuss the morality of intent for an act I don’t consider moral in the first place. If you’re going to sleep with a stranger, why should you look any deeper than their looks? You can’t get to know anything else about them in a short amount of time, so anything they say to you is fairly irrelevant to your decision to invite them back to your room for sex.
Lying to someone in order to get you to sleep with them isn’t very nice, but sleeping with someone based on a short conversation isn’t very bright…I’m sure it will offend some, but I feel that being decived in such a situation is a red flag that the person in question lacks common sense and self-respect, not that they were raped.
“”""""""""Actually, I know rather a few men who were raped by women.
And their major problem was that people refused to believe them, or laughed at them, or told them that since men always want sex, they obviously gave consent."""""""""""
Are we talking 5 years old and such? I’ll do some research on the phenomenon.
“”""""""""“You fail to consider either that physical responses are not necessarily a reaction to arousal, or, for that matter, that arousal is not necessarily consent, and that men are entirely possessed of orifices that can be penetrated, and that a majority of human beings have access to fingers or “sex toys”.”""""""""
I don’t see how vaginal intercourse could be rape… hmm…
You can catch them when they have the oft noted ‘morning woodie’ when they’re still sleeping. The other forms would require having them be tied up to a bed or knocked out with a drug and then anally raped with a prosthetic of some type. It would probably irritate me as much as waking up every morning; I’d have a difficult time being offended to the degree that it is not physical torture. But then physical torture is in a different catagory then rape - females can be raped without being ‘mutilated’ hetero-sexually; I still don’t understand the association between a female using anal toys in the case of restraint (the restraint is form of kidnapping); or in the case of severe intoxication is akin to sexual intercourse – fingers, a peice of plastic or rubber? The intoxication is itself illegal to administer.
I don’t see where the actual rape argument comes into play.
She didn’t cut it off, no diseases, nothing hurts… I was however restrained & drugged which concludes that she is a danger to society in the fact that this type of covertness is disturbingly non-transparent in terms of accountability; she could have just as easily lopped it off or lopped a lot of things off – the drugged part would be most disturbing to me. To the degree that there are side effects (permanent?) from the drug or actual pain from mutilation or significantly rough force - speaks of a crime different then rape IMO. My mind just doesn’t see it.
I suppose if a guy woke up one morning and found their gramma etc… bobbing up and down on them; it’d be pretty disturbing. That seems to be an issue of immediate conversation resolution or a move (relocation). To the degree that the situation is not easily moved about, it seems logical to call law enforcement in the instance that a line typically associated with ignorant trust being crossed might indicate a psychosis; in that this trust is established by a relatively acute social tension.
I definately need to research this more. If the first axiom falls, then the vantage point from which to establish the line of reasoning falls - at which case this would become an IMHO until someone provided a different one.
“”""""""“I am certain that the men who have been raped are thrilled to know that this level of demeaning and belittling of their experience is being promulgated unquestioned, and that other people who have had their experiences will know that they can go through the same invisibility and derision.”""""""""
This runs true for every thought virus. (though it seems like my incessant deamingness has been focused on females to that degree). If you believe in God, listening to people gossipping about ‘those God people’ is exceptionally demeaning. The difference comes to bear when a ‘demeaning’ veiwpoint is validated; at which point it becomes more of a science/ exploration than a devisive issue. To the degree that a severe thought virus is held; proof of it’s virtualization (superfluousness so to speak) seems to be the most demeaning blow - a blow which occurs on a regular basis in life IMO (though not all of them are proven, even though the blow still occurs and is taken).
These ar control mechanisms, and I’m rambling again … gonna check the hetero-sexual raping of males phenomenon…
-Justhink
Oh and you could use a pump on them…
It seems that it would be annoying in that a male was heading to the quick-mart to get some food and cigarettes and was ‘tied-up’ ‘pumped-up’ and used. I’ll have to think about this a bit more… thx for the input
-Justhink
Hmm… pumps can cause impotence… I still can’t see the sex negative… I see physical side effects, but no psychological ones.
-Justhink
“”"""""“If you’re going to sleep with a stranger, why should you look any deeper than their looks?”""""""
Female by chance? My experience with males is that they know who they would or would not sleep with beforehand – so the question becomes, why should males bother talking to females at all? If they do talk to females, why should they bother to have sex with them? This is diverting from the consent issue though… time to hit the web
-Justhink
Rape is defined as “nonconsensual intercourse” in some venues, which means that penis-in-vagina intercourse would count; in other venues it is (legally) defined as “nonconsensual penetration” (orally, anally, or vaginally), with any portion of the body or with an object.
The people I speak of were adults at the time of the rapes.
I don’t see it at all!
I’m lost – I literally cannot understand the heterosexual rape of males.
Pregnancy
Brain damage (drugs)
Mutilation
Torture
Hostaged
Disease
Chaotic torture (in the instance that female in close proximity continuously takes advantage of unconcious and/or unmobile states to act upon you - thus creating an anxiety disorder around the act of simply being alive)
The chaotic torture issue seems to be the closest to what one might consider rape, however, the actual issue revolves around a troubling phychological condition on the purpetrator to act regardless of any form of consent - similar to concentration camp lifestyle. The crime seems to be the lack of trust established in the environment; which fosters severe psychological trauma in the form of chaotic torture.
I still don’t see the actual rape argument; as absent these qualities, it basically is consent; you shrug and move on. I’m not sure about how a child would process these events either, even if it occurred only once.
Then we are defining consent in regards of cognitive age; which I feel is more appropriate anyhow. The actual side effects that would be criminal violations still don’t occur to me as being tied with sexual intercourse, unless a religion was present that invoked the variable of abstinence. Hmmm…
That’s stretching it though… it would be extremely difficult to produce religious evidence.
I’m missing something here on the hetero-sexual rape of males…
help?
-Justhink
If anyone willingly has sex w/ another, (esp. 1st date or picked up in bar) and did not take enough time to FIND OUT who that other person is. Then they have nothing to complain about. They obviously weren’t that concerned in the first place! They were out to get laid. Hell, they should be happy. After-all wasn’t that the goal in the first place?
Rape? not hardly
I think part of the bias here is that males are thinking about sex quite a bit, thinking about killing themselves from not having sex quite a bit and killing themselves for having sex — it seems that males who are recieving sex and then complaining about it are not taking into account the demeaning and belittling of their experience (as you put it). I imagine that most male suicide is a result of lack of sex, and lots of guys commit suicide - so it does tend to ‘belittle’ that rather enormous picture. Just to throw the inverted system back at you.
-Justhink
er… killing themselves for NOT having sex … missed the ‘not’ in there.
-Justhink
What good does it do you to “get” sex you do not want?
You may be unable to imagine a male who would not consent to sex, or who is not entirely obsessed with whether or not he is getting it, but that is far more a testament to your lack of imagination than it does to reality.
And it is people like you who are unable to imagine that a guy would not want sex at a given point who make it impossible for male victims of rape to come forward and say so. You continue to belittle the painful experiences of others by denying the possibility that they are anything other than “complaining” about getting something that only you and prejudiced fools like you believe that they wanted.