Deceptively easy math word problems for high school kids

Average can be meaningful even where total isn’t. Feynman himself gives the complaint I gave.

(Alright, pedantically, there is a sense in which “total temperature” can be meaningful, but it’s subtle: You can meaningfully speak of the total temperature of a fixed number of objects [amounting to just the appropriately scaled version of their average temperature], but you cannot meaningfully speak of the total temperature of an arbitrary number of objects. It is not meaningful to ask whether the total temperature of objects A, B, and C is greater than the total temperature of objects D and E, for example. But still, Feynman’s basic complaint is that “total temperature” is not a simple, useful notion, as the textbook implies; the textbook is just dressing up an ordinary addition problem in a stupidly contrived way.)

Or, rather, I’d like to have worded it like this:

You can, if you like, speak of the total temperature of a fixed number of objects [amounting to just a roundabout way of describing their average temperature], but you mustn’t pretend such total temperatures are themselves temperatures (you cannot meaningfully ask whether the total temperature of A and B is greater than the temperature of C, for example (except in the sense of identifying “temperature” with “temperature difference from absolute zero”)), and more generally, you cannot compare total temperatures of differing numbers of objects. There’s a notion of temperature, and there’s a notion of sums of two temperatures, and there’s a notion of sums of three temperatures, and so on, and these are all utterly different kinds of data, as such, until you turn them from sums into averages.

Averages can be meaningful even where totals are not quite; this is the distinction between a convex space (such as temperatures naturally and mundanely comprise) and a vector space (which temperatures do not naturally comprise, unless one takes absolute zero as zero).

This puzzle is used as a joke to suggest John von Neumann’s skill at calculation. After giving the answer immediately, the questioner said “You’re good. Most people sum the infinite series, rather than thinking of the shortcut.”

Von Neumann responded: “What shortcut?”

(Of course it’s a silly joke, since von Neumann was one of the greatest geniuses of this century and would have seen the shortcut at once … or, even on a slow day, immediately upon noting the infinite sum.)

That’s not the correct answer, but only because you mixed up words in the question :).

Dadgummit. As you and L Mondegreen pointed out, I goofed up the wording.

Pity since it’s surprisingly deceptive.

The question should read: “If a bottle of wine costs $10.00 and the wine costs $9.00 more than the bottle, how much does the bottle cost.”

Answer upthread.

About 4.8 square feet.

Uh, what? Is the square feet part the joke?

There is no dirt in a hole at all.

Duh! Tell it to heathen earthling. Along with the difference between area and volume.

I don’t know if this exactly counts as a math problem, its more like a riddle with math in it, but its my favorite

3 men rent a hotel room for $30 a night. They decide to split up the cost so each man pays $10. Later, the night manager realizes he overcharged them by $5, so he sends the bellboy up to their room with 5 $1 bills. The bellboy decides to keep $2 for himself and refund each man $1. Since each man then paid $9 for a total of $27, and the bellboy keeps $2, that adds up to $29. Where is the missing dollar?

I know that’s the intended answer to the joke, but I’m not convinced that’s the only valid answer. Why doesn’t the two-dimensional quantity of dirt forming the inside area of the hole count as being “in” the hole?

Because there is nothing in a hole.

Then how is it possible to get dirt on yourself by stepping in a hole?

Whatever, I’m not going to obsess over this. It’s a fun thread. I’m going to try the wine bottle one on some people.

Ooh! Ooh! I know!

If it takes three men three hours to dig three holes, how long does it take half of a man to dig half of a hole?

You don’t get dirty stepping in a hole. You get dirty from the dirt that’s around the hole.

Divide 30 by 1/2 and add 10.

I was the only person who got that correct on a test in high school.

If Mary has 3 piles of dirt, and John has 5 piles of dirt, how many piles of dirt do they have when the push them all together?

If there are 52 cards sitting on a table, and you take 3 of them, how many cards do you have?

If 30 dopers can respond to 30 Starving Artist related threads in 30 minutes, how many threads could 100 dopers respond to in 100 minutes?

Which problem are you referring to?

That is the problem. A lot of people would wind up with 25, but the correct answer is 70. The tricky part is, you’re not dividing 30 *in *half, you’re dividing it by one half.