NETA: By the way, the game began on July 9th. It’s now August 14. That ain’t no two months.
Your infallability is really taking a hit, pizza. 
You know I could accept some of your criticism, and I do, but you’re someone who basically wrote off the townie cause and took a walk and didn’t contribute much in the past few rounds. You wouldn’t even place a vote without retracting it.
As for accepting humility, choie, I’m a humble person. Do not for one moment suggest that because I take an aggressive stance towards suspects that means I consider myself perfect, better, awesome, whatever.
You know what I do, all game long? I create alternative scenarios. For when I’m proven wrong. Because I’ve been proven wrong before, and again, and again. Like everyone else… I’m mortal.
I accept that my opinion is not Lord. I take exception to your constant smearing of me as someone who is so full of themselves that they can’t self-examine. That’s wrong, that’s baseless, and you really should know that if you’ve read my posts.
I accept that as game-related criticism but it’s completely backwards, both IRL and in this game. For the record.
It’s 38 days from when I started counting, which was when folks got their PMs. I could be a day off, yes.
We’re in our second month. Pardon me. And again, the only person who has ever suggested that I think I am infallible, is you.
That’s bullshit. I retracted ONE vote (and it was the right choice, as you fail to acknowledge). I “took a walk” because every stance I took, every comment I made, was being judged scummy. If I was too assertive and tried to play according to what I was learning, I was scum. If I was too skittish for being new, I was scum. If I asked questions, I was scum. If I didn’t, I was scum. If I didn’t lock my votes I was scum, if I said I planned to lock my votes, I was scum.
So yep, you’re darn right I backed off and lurked for a while. Which made me scummy. Of course now that I’m not lurking, that’s scummy too.
I’m sorry to have upset you, but if you think you come across as humble and self-effacing, then you’re skimming your own posts. You harangue people and state and restate and re-re-restate your cases, often in BIG LOUD FONTS, and act like (and even state flatly that) anyone who disagrees with you is scum. I can’t be arsed to look right now, but I know you said at one point yesterDay something to the effect that anyone who voted for Red Skeezix was anti-Town or scum or on your hitlist.
That’s all I’m going to say on this subject because again, this ain’t the pizza show and also it’s bloody late here. Besides, what’s the use? Anything I say is de facto scummy, so all you’re really hearing is the muted trumpet "waaaaa wah waaaa"sound that adults make in the Charlie Brown universe.
I know I don’t come off that way. I never said I did. I did say there was a difference between finding oneself infallible and playing a game aggressively.
Yes, I do. This is criticism I can accept. And I apologize for that.
I was in the heat of the moment yesterday and I got worked into a frenzy. I realized what an ass I was being and I shut up so ShadowFacts could state his cases.
Depends on who and why; I don’t feel some people are guilty for it, especially Stanislaus.
I can agree with some of your criticism, choie, because much of it is quite valid.
Why it is scummy, to me, is because it shows up precisely when you need to discredit me.
Any other time, the criticism goes away. That’s why your criticism, while honest, is also conveniently timed.
[QUOTE=Astral Rejection]
[QUOTE=Inner Stickler]
protect Suburban Plankton
[/QUOTE]
Received.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Astral Rejection]
Your daily routine ended almost as soon as you had started. On your desk, unmoved from when you set them there last night, are the divine relics used to cast your protections. You shake your head; how could you have possibly forgotten to protect someone last night?
(You were blocked)
[/QUOTE]
Sorry for being so late; my best friend is moving halfway across the country in 2 days and he had a going away party I thought I should attend. I would like to hear from Red but I’m really not averse to lynching him today. He had a golden opportunity last night that was not taken advantage of and I’d like to know why.
Also, choie, I do think you’re awesome. I’ve said it quite a bit this game…
** (You were blocked)**
There it is. There’s the other shoe.
Thank you, Inner Stickler, I wuv you.
Ditto.
Red is innocent but the scums didn’t even BOTHER blocking him. That’s great.
That lets me know exactly how wrong I am on Inner Stickler.
“A nice pair of shoes”
So, as a response to Suburban Plankton croaking, I realized that not only was the case on Red Skeezix wrong, but the case on Inner Stickler was also wrong. I seriously figured it was, but, there was an infinitessimally small chance it was right, and if it was, it would have been pretty amusing.
Yeah, I place long shot bets sometimes. But as with most everything I do, there’s a dual purpose to it. Remember pressure voting with no case? It acts like scum bait. It could lynch a scum, but it also attracts scum’s attention. “He’s not making cases that make sense, he’s scummy, wah wah wah.”
And that’s how septimus got on my scumdar, was because he was leaping on stuff that was way, way too easy.
This time, I wanted to see if anyone would leap at the case on Stickler, but apparently, Red Skeezix is too large a threat and NO ONE took the bait at all. Damn you, Suburban Plankton, Damn you for making him look so townie. If you hadn’t done that, some scum MIGHT have flinched and taken the bait. I worked, VERY, HARD, to make him look scummy, even in spite of what you did. I still love you though. I really, really hope you took none of it personally. You are also quite awesome.
Now, here’s why **Red Skeezix **is innocent. Well, because he only voted once last round, never showed up to see what happened, didn’t send any night actions, and EVERYONE WANTS HIM DEAD, and EVERYONE ALWAYS WANTED HIM DEAD EXCEPT ME. This is why MentalGuy is innocent. **Everyone **agrees he’s been too fence-sitting. Yep, everyone wants him dead. Except a scum team already bussed septimus, and they cannot bus their partners all game long and hope to win.
If Master Yoda were here, he might say “Revealed, your opinion is.”
But that’s only the beginning. I had once marked Hirka off as innocent because I thought he did an early double-vote on septimus somewhere. That’s my bad memory talking, and my bad memory gets me in trouble. Remember the first couple rounds? My obvious blunders made me look like a lying bastard. My saving grace is it looked too horrible to be truly scummy. I was written off as an idiot, **and maybe rightly so. **Thank my lucky stars I suck that badly that it couldn’t be scummy.
Well that was completely bass ackwards. Hirka did everything in his power to save septimus. His votes are absolutely atrocious. His stance all game has been to rely on the bad cases of trusted townie leaders to cause mayhem. He’s been completely off the mark, and he has not been consistent.
Here are the many stances of Hirka, abridged:
I think septimus is guilty
Nope, lets give septimus the benefit of the doubt
I think ShadowFacts is guilty
No I think ShadowFacts is townie now
I think Red Skeezix is guilty
No I think both Red and ShadowFacts are townie, I can’t decide!
Okay ShadowFacts is a bad lynch but better than Red.
And what prompts these stances? Well he wasn’t for septimus until some townies pushed that case, nearly got septimus lynched, and then he had to go with it.
He didn’t give septimus the benefit of the doubt until several townies did.
He thought ShadowFacts was guilty because others did.
He reversed when ShadowFacts claimed.
He didn’t want to decide between Shadow and Red Skeezix, and there were cheerleaders for both. I was very insistent Skeezix was innocent, and many people were insistent that Shadow was innocent. Hirka’s move speaks of upsetting no one.
When I said how terrible it was that people weren’t deciding, Hirka acted based on what I said to lynch who I wanted, based on reasoning I provided for him.
Red was probably not blocked last night, because I asked him to hit Inner Stickler.
That’s the first shoe.
But even if the scums blocked Red, it wasn’t necessary since, once again, Red Skeezix did nothing, because he goes inactive for long stretches at a time.
Inner Stickler was probably blocked instead, so they could safely hit Suburban Plankton.
That’s the second shoe.
Now, everyone and their mother wants Red Skeezix dead, or MentalGuy. And without examining anything, like maybe checking to see if Red had even logged in since the 8th, we’re now dumping all our votes on Red and MentalGuy.
Hirka is going for MentalGuy because others are going for MentalGuy. He’s admitting to taking a stand on people based on other people’s cases. That’s fine, but it’s also scummy.
Hirka is just following, and just following on the wrong people. Has all game long.
When criticized by me, choie showed a massive increase in interest in both the game and what I had to say. It needed refuting and discrediting.
I’ve been looking at choie all game long. But she has also been off the mark in terms of where her votes go, who she accuses, and nervous to take a stand on who needs to die.
Except she won’t be nervous to take a stand on other things. That’s the duality. She’s not a pushover, I’ve said it since the beginning. And she’s damned good at what she does.
Who I find scummy has changed, and who I find townie has changed, as the game progresses.
I began with Koldanar and made a mention of septimus. At the time I had no idea what I was doing, but I was responding to my own instincts. Felt others’ suspicions on Koldanar warranted further votes. Koldanar later becomes Hirka.
**Septimus **and **Koldanar **both responded to my D1 bait traps, as did others. But that’s only one little thing; cases are a matter of little things adding up. Koldanar/Hirka has barely gotten any pressure since then.
After septimus made the post which caused my visceral reaction, I had to see his card. I locked immediately. Others eventually joined, Normal and Special ed. Those two are the reasons why we got anyone lynched as scum this whole game, IMO. They are eternally in our debt.
As such, when septimus reacted as he did, and spared last minute, I wrote him down as scum and I also wrote down Normal and Ed as town. That’s when I began tracking several people at once.
I wanted to see who would react, and how, after septimus claimed and wanted the benefit of the doubt. And I also didn’t want to waste the round by a mass wagon on septimus. So I looked for other odd behavior and saw choie, as you all well know.
Anyway, some people reacted to the choie case as expected, some did not. I wasn’t getting the reactions I was looking for, though, and choie’s defense was… very good. It wasn’t technically sound but it was amazing, it was convincing. I instantly grew 100 respect points for choie. I decided to leave her be, in case I was wrong, but it all still felt scummy to me, anyway.
Put out other names, TexCat, Stanislaus, ShadowFacts, Suburban, to see who would say what. From the reactions I felt TexCat was townie and so was Stanislaus. The others I wasn’t sure of and wanted to pressure. Septimus was still on the hook but I need more data. Giving alternatives to septimus was necessary for causing flinches.
Well, it’s rather obvious now, but I completely missed it at the time. Hirka did indeed flinch and he saved septimus. Diver, I noted, voted for septimus but it wasn’t enough AND he didn’t lock it in. And the plan was, obviously, that septimus would self-save at the last second.
Hirka’s move was to save. Diver’s move was to distance.
The next round, Diver did the opposite and went for Red instead of septimus. Red was the exposed vigilante and it would have looked townie enough if they tried to get him. Now Diver locks in on Red. Why the lock on Red that day but no lock on Red yesterday?
Answer: He wanted to save septimus that day, but he wanted to not be blamed for Red flipping townie yesterday.
He was fine for bussing septimus if it caused no harm. He was fine for killing Red Skeezix if he could save septimus. He was NOT fine for being the deciding vote on Red Skeezix.
That’s the contradiction and changing position which is indicative of scum.
Hirka, choie, and Diver all reacted strongly to my No Reason vote for both of these characters “for now”.
That’s a pretty damned strong flinch.
[spoiler]100% Innocent
Askthepizzaguy 510- Scanned as innocent by Lightfoot
Suburban Plankton 219 [DEAD]- Revealed as innocent upon death
LightFoot 122** [DEAD]- Revealed as innocent upon death**
** ShadowFacts 120 [DEAD]- Revealed as innocent upon death**
** Silver Jan 70 [DEAD]- Revealed as innocent upon death**
special ed 115 [DEAD]- Revealed as innocent upon death**
TexCat 25 [DEAD]- Revealed as innocent upon death**
** Scathach 24 [DEAD]****- Revealed as innocent upon death
**99% Innocent
**Normal Phase 348- same reasons as before. Pure townie.
Inner Stickler 92- Suburban Plankton’s results [DOCTOR]
**90% Innocent
** Stanislaus 62- same reasons as before. Almost definitely townie.
Red Skeezix 18- [VIGILANTE] [COLOR=black]For obvious reasons.
[/COLOR]gnarlycharlie 38- he’s quite gnarly, actually. I have no case against him.
Weedy 46- nice responses to questioning. Didn’t flinch at septimus.
MentalGuy 50- A case has been made, but everyone loves it. As such, I don’t. That means it is a wrong case, at this stage of the game.
[COLOR=Black]pedescribe 18- Not helpful. I really wish Red had assassinated him.[/COLOR]
choie 46- acting way scummy in my book, squirms under Hirka pressure. [No claim iirc]
Hirka T’Bawa 44- votes and posts read scum. [NPC INVOKER]
USCDiver 37- votes not locked on septimus, Red one day, not Red the other. [NPC]
septimus 34- WAS SCUM**** [DEAD]**[/spoiler]
Now… septimus, choie, Hirka, Diver are your scumbags.
If Red flips townie. Which he will. I’m fairly confident, because the beguiler role had two powers, not one. The power to evade detection, and the power to evade Red Skeezix’s knives.
Red is the vigilante. Inner Stickler IS the town doctor. Suburban Plankton DID verify Inner Stickler’s innocence, and did track ShadowFacts, and ShadowFacts was townie. Lightfoot was innocent.
All these things add up… the town power roles that revealed were ALL TOWN POWER ROLES, except septimus.
That means that the remaining scums hid their powers and waited to claim NPC until last round. They didn’t want to risk a counter-reveal.
No one countered Red’s claim. No one countered Lightfoot’s claim. No one countered ShadowFacts’ claim. No one countered Suburban Plankton’s claim. No one countered Inner Stickler’s claim.
All the townie claims were real, and the events of last night show it to be true. What’s more, Normal Phase and Stanislaus look extremely townie, and I’ve been cleared.
That leaves!
Gnarly- don’t remember if claimed
Weedy- don’t remember if claimed
Mental- Claimed last round (NPC)
pedescribe- No claim, not participating
choie- don’t remember if claimed
Hirka- Claimed last round (NPC)
Diver- Claimed last round (NPC)
And they claimed on that round, and the others didn’t respond to the mass claim.
Gnarly and Weedy I just have a good feeling about. Mental is indeed a suspect, but everyone likes to kill this guy, and that’s why I don’t. That’s why I don’t like Red Skeezix for scumbag. That’s why I didn’t like Silver Jan for scumbag. That’s why I didn’t like KellyCriterion for scumbag.
When everyone agrees that someone is scum, something is wrong, or that person did something that proved they were scum.
The only person who proved they were scum was septimus. Everything else has been not even remotely close to that, but everyone agreed these folks were scummy.
That’s why alternatives are necessary.
Lynch Red if you must, but your scumbags are Hirka T’Bawa, choie, and probably Diver.
Choie didn’t want to be blocked and that’s why she chimed in one round. Her reaction after I accused Hirka makes her scum. Hirka’s vote pattern makes him scum. And Diver’s not-lock of septimus, lock on Red, followed by not-lock on Red, makes him scum.
I am not sure which of these I find the absolute scummiest. But Hirka’s save on septimus must be punished. **Choie **and **Diver **must not be allowed to live.
And, right or wrong, you three are awesome players. And I’m sorry my style is so grating.
Edit- “logged in since the NINTH” not the eighth.
The *month *was 8, the *day *was 9, silly pizza dude. But it *was *midnight so I was one minute off.
Hmm. And of course, the tracker is now dead so we can’t catch out any lying NPCs. Bleah. Interesting post, ATPG. I’m rather enamored of the logic in it.
That’s why they couldn’t claim before… they would have to back up their claims if they claimed PC townie with abilities, and it would have made them a suspect, considering HOW MANY pro-town roles already had been exposed or claimed.
If they had claimed NPC, getting caught in an action would be damning.
They hedged their bet until it was safe to claim. Which was AFTER the tracker revealed who had been tracked.
let me examine another option before moving forward.
are the scum allowed to NK one of their own?
i haven’t claimed yet, FTR.
I didn’t think so, charlie. But you’ve always been gnarly enough where I didn’t have to press you on your claims.
so how many roleblockers do scum really have?
if Inner was blocked, Red, if town, may have gotten a shot.
Red, where are ya?
2 at most. I believe that Red got blocked by a physical attack as he claimed.
But why on earth would the scums block him if I begged him with massive posts to please, please, please kill the town doctor? I handed them a golden opportunity to eliminate Sub, Stick, and then Red the next day.
Red wasn’t blocked. They were laughing their butts off at what might have happened that night, hoping to defeat all the town powers with one swift stroke.
Even IF Red wasn’t lynched the next day, that would have meant only one guy needed to be blocked at night instead of three or more.
Red’s been inactive since August 9th at 12:00AM my time.
And now, my most recent thoughts on the scum team setup:
- Beguiler, septimus, immune to Lightfoot, Red Skeezix
- Invoker, Scum Jack-Of-All-Trades, Hirka T’Bawa, to counter the townie’s mystic, with the following powers:
[ul]
[li]1 or more “delayed” roleblocks[/li][li]1 or more “physical” roleblocks[/li][li] 1 or more “DAY KILLS”[/li][/ul]
3) Scum roleblocker, likely choie. That’s why she reacted when I said to block her.
4) Grunt, likely USCDiver, who asked to be scanned one night. Except, of course, Lightfoot would never be able to scan Diver.
Actually the grunt would be kind of underpowered; I think the Grunt is the one who did the physical roleblock. Probably a one-shot.
while i wait for Red,
Vote USCDiver
i’ve been suspicious of him but got sidetracked the last two Days.
Vote choie
obviously she’s read enough games to be familiar with the gameplay including its frustrating moments. granted Pizza is like a force of nature, her reactions aren’t that of someone who knows how difficult this game can be. while i’ve seen outbursts in the past, this seems over the top.