De'endee Mafia

Yes, if that’s the method they chose. I did that in a recent game I co-moderated on a different board

Can you give an example of how a mod might change up the “same” role PM for different players?

Here is the spoiler board for that game that I co-modded with Ulla.

Pay attention to the Vanilla PM thread as well.

We made each and every PM individual and didn’t repeat any of the win conditions.

And the Scum and 3rd party players were provided with some of those PMs as cover roles.

In addition, somewhat controversially, we agreed to create fake PMs for any players who wanted one. They just provided the role and the powers they wanted, and we created them.

handshaking would have been impossible.

unvote: Red Skeezix
vote: Koldanar

Vote on Skeezix isn’t going anywhere, others mentioned Koldanar as a possible choice.

Not going to join the Kellywagon just yet. I prefer to make Koldanar squirm a bit first.

Your reasoning seems unreasonable

Well, it looks as if I have pinged Normal Phase already, was that a FOS?

I am definitly Town in this game so all Normal has on me really is from metagaming (where I was scum) so

Vote Normal Phase

It might be an OMGUS vote but in the last game (metagaming) I was too scared to vote for her because then she would have known for sure that I was scum. This is also to get a vote in so that I have a voting record whether I am right or wrong.

I must admit I haven’t read everything as carefully as I should because I became a Grandmother yesterday :slight_smile:

welcome USCDiver!

i was leaning towards voting for Kelly because of his reaction to Stanislaus’ citing previous games where a misphrase isn’t necessarily a scum tell. i would have been embarrassed but thankful that a flaw in my reasoning was pointed out so i wouldn’t vote for a fellow Town player. his reaction was more like ‘Fine. Whatever.’

however, Askthepizzaguy’s logic for voting Koldanar makes no sense at all.

Vote Askthepizzaguy

i’m still suspicious of Kelly but i’m not ready to make a second vote.

Ed, any reason for pointing out Askthepizzaguy’s post but not voting for him? you haven’t voted yet so it’s not going to lock you in.

I’m still getting warmed up. I have not yet *begun *to unreason.

I challenge you on that. How does it not make sense?

Vote on Red Skeezix isn’t leading to his death, meanwhile, at least two others have noted that Koldanar might be a good vote. I voted Koldanar as an alternative to the current Kellywagon.

Now, your homework assignment is to explain in 400 words or less why there’s anything at all wrong with that logic. I will be awaiting your response with a bemused expression on my face.

Why does there have to be an alternative? You haven’t actually said you disagree with the “kellywagon” (love that phrase btw). You just wanted not to be on a bandwagon. Why?

Au contraire. I’ve been known to bandwagon, I just prefer to lead.

When I am innocent, my accusations have a decent chance of hitting guilty parties. By following someone else’s wagon, I have no idea if they are guilty, and if they are, then the odds are poorer that I’d be wagoning a guilty person, just by virtue of the fact that the evildoers are not as likely to point fingers at their buddies.

Therefore, I prefer to lead, especially if there’s no strong case on anyone else.

That’s why I decided to go with Skeezix, since that was my pick and no one else had picked Skeezix. But, I’m not generating much interest in that wagon; therefore I looked at alternatives. I could wagon Kelly, but I’d prefer to spread pressure around. Looking at who others found worthy of a vote, I felt Koldanar might be someone who could generate some interest.

I have no reason to disagree with Kelly as a lynch, but I do have reason not to wagon Kelly. A whole bunch of folks leaning one way generates no real pressure on anyone else, kills discussion, and gives nothing to analyze later on in the game. When such wagons are also on innocent targets, I call them “failwagons” because not only do they not catch evildoers, they handicap the innocents by making it harder to overturn the vote if they wanted to, and relieve all pressure on all evil people at the same time, and like I said, kills off discussion too.

There is no bigger way to fail. So I don’t do big wagons early on for no reason. I generally disagree with them in all cases, except if there’s a positive result on someone, and even then… you don’t need 10 votes difference between the top candidate and the nearest leading candidate to lynch someone. You could do 4 and have it be safe.

I know you folks are new to me, but I am not new to this. There are purposes to my doings. It might take a couple games to familiarize ourselves to one another.

Anyway. I don’t mind being voted because my play is unfamiliar, but, you’re not going to get familiar with it if I die so soon. :wink:

[OOG]Congrats on becoming a grandmother.[/OOG]

That said, I have problems with the rest of your post.

  1. You have voted with reasoning that absolves you responsibility for your vote.

  2. Your interaction with Normal Phase from previous games has no bearing on this game whatsoever.

  3. You have not provided any sort of defense of the position on which Normal Phase has criticized your play. Instead deflecting the points, rather than addressing them.

  4. You are asserting that you are “definitly Town” and that any suspicion of your play, is therefore suspect.
    vote Silver Jan

This was a great and townie-sounding response up to the vote on me. I don’t personally have a problem with OMGUS votes as such. They’ve caught more than a few scum out on cruddy logic, fake cases, or whatever. But “I voted her because she voted me and I’m obviously a townie”? Come on. If you are town your best move is to make a case on someone and make it a good one, and this isn’t it.

You guys are so good for my ego sometimes. :slight_smile:

Hi Diver.

Agreed in general, but I think in specific there’s little to fear here: voting townies is a scum’s default action. I’d be astonished if Astral gave level points for something as trivial as that.

I like Scathach’s case too.

Thanks, Diver. Sorry, guys; at a convention for work next week and too much stuff to deal with before then. I really shouldn’t have signed up.

Damn. Ok, two years off from these games can make you rusty, but I have to assume at this point I’m just bad at this. I’d suggest you can go Meta, and see my first days in the past; I think every time I play I get voted on on day one (except once) and every damn time in the past, I was vanilla. I’m a cautious person, and an anxious one. I don’t like to commit until I’m fairly sure of a vote.

Why respond, if I’m not scum? I take it a little personally :eek:. Not enough to make me not want to play, but certainly enough to respond.

Now, Askthepizzaguy? A me too! vote on me, when things seem good? Yea, not very nice. You provided no reasoning whatsoever; at least Scathach tried to justify it. When challenged, you keep repeating that you felt I could generate interest. Not, you find me suspicious, not you can pull apart any posts I’ve made, but simply (to paraphrase) : Look, my first vote generated no interest, and people are voting for Koldanar.
vote Askthepizzaguy

This, I can get behind. These actions aren’t good. Unless you’re being a lazy townie, and seriously, don’t do that!

If you like.

Giving someone a pass for scummy behavior just because they unvoted is wrong in terms of scum-catching strategy, but it’s the casual way you phrased it that pings. “Well, he was scummy, but he unvoted, so ok” – as if that has anything to do with anything.

My experience with you in the last game does compound it. [ For those who didn’t play that game: Silver Jan was scum. I was serial killer, but trying to bag at least one scum at some point to keep the town off my back. On day two I brought up Silver Jan for consideration as scum primarily on the basis of two suspicious unvotes from day one – she had voted a pair of townies, been challenged to some extent on both votes, and unvoted both times. I argued that her stated reasons for the unvotes were incongruent with the situation she was in, and that made her scummy. I was right. ] So yes, Jan, I do think that the previous game has some relevance here. You were ultimately lynched that game because of scummy unvotes. For you to give Pedescribe a pass on scummy behavior – merely because he unvoted – feels wrong, coming from you.

I’ll give you a bit of a pass on the policy vote due to the grandmother thing, big congratulations. :slight_smile:

That’s not true. It makes sense for the reason stated, to add pressure to an existing bandwagon. If you don’t think that quite qualifies as scum-hunting or whatever, that’s one thing, but it absolutely makes sense.

More to the point: I think the Koldanar wagon is a good one. Askthepizzaguy, as implied by his vote, agrees. What do you think of it?