Went through this in another game recently.(Thanks ED) Confirmed Good (even if unknown) are an asset. If the evil doers know we know who is Confirmed they become targets. the more Confirmed Good we have at or near End of game the better Good’s position
and if the Scum have a strongman or a roleblocker, then you’ve effectively either killed yourself or neutered yourself.
yes, but that was an open game with a Cop, Doc, and no Scum powers.
There was no way for the Scum to kill the Cop until the Doc was dead. Therefore, the Cop always had another Day coming to reveal his results.
We don’t know that this is true for you. You could very well die toNight.
understood. calculated (even if poorly) risk.
I wandered out of my comfort zone to see what it felt like
Crap, This is what I get for putting my wuotes in new tabs and never checking to see if they made it through the 60 second waiting period. This post was supposed to be made earlier.
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The odd thing to me about Scathach's death is that his alignment was not revealed. This makes me believe that we probably have third parties amongst us. If there were only scum and townies, then why bother hiding alignment? This is particularly true if we assume that Scathach was the scum kill. I'm thinking he might be a third party kill. It might make more sense for a third party to have a janitor.
I didn't see anything in the OP about third parties, but the sample win condition "*all* threats to the Defenders of De'endee" leaves the possibility open.
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Of course, if the Scum have a Janitor, they will have learned the role and alignment of the dead person and can use that information for fake claims and such.
And you realize that if you die, you take your results with you.
since strategy is allowed at Night, I would suggest that you reveal what you know within 1 minute before Dawn.
That way, if you die, we’ll still have your results.And if you live, it exceptionally unlikely that the Scum will be able to target the person you reveal.
Besides that, if Lightfoot gets role as well:
– no reveal at all for a doctor
– no reveal at all for a mason
– no reveal at all for any other halfway-confirmable townie role
In other words, if the town is likely to make the right decision on lynch/don’t lynch regardless (or it’s an unprotectable player), a reveal is not favorable.
These boards confuckle me and I did miss that in the rules (and since last Night was so quiet I ass/u/med wrong.) I have a post composed for just that . I planned on posting it right near EOD but your idear makes better sense.
If we have a Doc I should be OK, if we don’t the ‘cleared’ player will have no protection( but will live one more Day)
By my line of thinking alignment is the ONLY relevant bit to share about Town (ie IF I knew I would not tell THEM anyway)
That’s not what I mean.
Hypothetical example: You have in your hand the name of a town mason. Stating the name makes the person a high value target for mafia but an uncertain one for a town doc, who can’t be sure how that player’s value compares to that of any power roles who might have claimed in the meantime. If you confirm the player as town, even without role name attached, they come to scum’s attention where they might not have otherwise, and to no useful purpose for the town as a whole, since masons confirm themselves anyway. See what I mean?
Other town roles might also be semi-confirmable (roles like watcher, tracker, roleblocker have a chance to out scum, for instance, and their actions can be scrutinized and cross-checked with one another), so it would be worth considering whether the value of naming them as town is really all that great.
Naming a doctor as known town would just be bad all around.
Anyway, to reiterate: I’m not saying that if you get role, you should keep it to yourself; I’m saying that if you get role, then depending what that role is, you may not want to reveal the player’s name AT ALL.
I have an issue with this too – I can’t believe you’re not an experienced enough player to realize that there are potential issues with naming players as confirmed town. It’s very much bothering me. I think you’re a better player than that, and you don’t appear to be thinking about things from a townie perspective.
Ugh.
I hope that Janitor implies Coroner also, if this is the case.
early on in my career, I modded a game with a janitor. There was no coroner role, however, I did provide all of the details once the janitor was killed.
But I agree, hopefully we have a coroner.
Lightfoot, I think your decision to out yourself was a very risky one. What’s done is done, however so we’ll have to hope that we do have a Doc (and that it wasn’t Scathach!) and that the Scum don’t have a roleblocker or strongman. One thing that I should point out is that right now, our putative Doc’s decision is pretty easy. lwe manage to out any more power roles, however, things get harder. Now, this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t vote for people for fear that they’re power roles; I think it does mean, however, that power-roles should make a real effort not to reach immediately for the role claim if they come under pressure. Games here have seen people claim fairly early in the day, with leads of only 2 or 3 votes. I would say that if you find yourself in that situation, try to tough it out by arguing the case against you first, and only claiming if you really, really have to. I know that’s a difficult judgement call, but if we back ourselves into a WIFOM fight between our notional Doc and scum then we’ll be in bigger trouble than we are now.
One other thing I wanted to comment on: Pizza, you do know that not only was your idea of late pile-on voting discussed at length and rejected yesterDay, but that one of the major advocates of the plan was Septimus? Had you even done a cursory review of his posts?
How could you have posted a result before you had one?
I think you mis-read that, Ed.
You are correct.
Unless there is a third party, scum already know the alignment. And town would have a pretty reasonable assumption that scathach was town. Why have the mechanic of hidden alignments without a third party?
Do you have a reason to believe that there aren’t any 3rd party players?
Until proven otherwise, I think it’s quite likely we have 3rd party players.