Shit
Well, either the scum have a janitor (Which I find unlikely due to us getting a reveal on kills, albeit delayed) and Shadowfacts yoinked Ed’s info, or he is most likely what he claimed. I still want Septimus dead.
Shite
I’m not sure I’m understanding you here.
I don’t think there’s necessarily any connection between the delayed reveals and Ed/Shadowfacts. The delayed reveals may be due to a Janitor of sorts, or may simply be a game mechanic. As far as **ShadowFacts **assuming **Ed’s **role: he could be telling the truth, or he could be Scum with the ability to steal powers from the dead (or a 3rd party with the same ability). But the two don’t necessarily seem to be connected to me.
Fingers crossed ShadowFacts is townie, because the alternative is quite horrible given that claim.
Shadowfacts knew info about Ed before we as a town did. Either he made a lucky guess, scum have a role diviner or janitor, or he was correct in claiming to take on a power role after their death. I don’t think they have a janitor, I guess they could have a diviner, but I’m more inclined to think he’s telling all or mostly the truth with his roleclaim. I’m not understanding what you’re not following.
Finished taking my boards, looks like I missed all the fun at end of day. I will say that I for one actually do believe ShadowFact’s claim, even though I double voted for him early. The color he posted about finding Ed’s body just seemed too much like what Astral would write. So, I’m glad he lived… Though, I hate that a townie had to die, at least she was an NPC.
So, if septimus, and ShadowFacts are telling the truth on their claims (which for now I believe), that doesn’t leave me much in the way of scum suspects. I’m really going to have to reread everyone’s cases against everyone else come Tomorrow.
However, I won’t be around much toNight, took a long test, so now I’m enjoying some good EtOH all night, then I have to study for my law exam, which I take Monday morning. So… Don’t expect me around too much till Monday evening.
Sorry I’ve been away and absent since I was subbed in. This is why I didn’t sign up originally. However, I will have much more time after Monday
Oh, ATPG, I loved your color, very creative!
Here’s what I’m thinking.
I’m thinking that a Janitor prevents the identity of the dead from being revealed to the Town, but has nothing to do with adoption of Powers. Based on that definition, I think the Scum might have a Janitor or sorts, whose powers are limited in that they only delay the reveal by a Day, or the delayed reveal might simply be a feature in this game.
As far as ShadowFacts goes, he appears to have had an ability that allowed him to assume the Powers of a dead player. He might be telling the truth about his role. Or he might be Scum/3rd-Party with such a Power.
But there’s a problem with that. If **ShadowFacts **is Scum, then how did he know ahead of time what **Ed’s **Power was so that he would know to steal it? If the Scum do have a Janitor, that would explain how he knew **Ed’s **role before t was revealed to Town, but how did he know last Night that he should steal it?
Assuming all Night actions resolve at Dawn, he would have had to have used a Power-stealing ability before **Ed’s **death was revealed to anyone. So either he guessed and got lucky, or the Scum have player who identified **Ed’s **role on Night 1 (a ‘Diviner’?).
So, either the Scum knew before last Night that **Ed **had a Power worth stealing, or **ShadowFacts **took a stab in the dark and got lucky, or he’s on the level.
In Mafia, ‘anything’ is possible, but I think the most likely explanation here is that **ShadowFacts **is Town. The Scum may or may not have some sort of Janitor role, but I think that’s an unrelated issue.
I’d like to point out that scum roles where you steal the powers of your victim could very well exist, especially in a game which already features as strange roles as the one special ed had. I’d also like to point out that you’ll run out of **NPCs **to lynch at some point, and you’ll have to find the scums who are claiming power roles, and by then, you will lack the votes to accomplish your aims. That said, I’m comfortable being a Cassandra. I’ve said my piece about it and I’m not going to throw a lot of effort into doing that again tomorrow. It’s boring and repetitive. I’ll vote him if I think he can get lynched but my cases will go elsewhere, and will have more brevity to them.
Not necessary; he could just be killing people at random and automatically assumes the first role that he can absorb.
Janitor does seem unrelated.
sigh
This one is not looking good. I am notnotnot happy that ShadowFacts held onto his vote power.
So reluctant to share his power with the claimed detective. Sounds like he doesn’t fear being murdered at night, then?
Does he expect to still be around tomorrow to give those votes to someone or use them for himself?
***Bah! ***
BAH, BAH, BAH…
bah, bah.
You two didn’t read my claim very carefully, it seems. I’ll re-quote the relevant part:
[QUOTE=Mahaloth]
Special Ed’s books have granted you three magical abilities, which may be used twice each.
[/QUOTE]
(bolding mine)
Assuming **Ed **did not use his Voting power (and I don’t recall any major vote count irregularities from Day One and Two), then even if I had used it on Lightfoot, I would still have had another go. As it is, I am assuming I have two uses to work with. So your hand-wringing smudge attempts are moot, I’m afraid. 
Could you be any more scummy. The number of uses was crystal clear. You being my top suspect and all but unlynchable until you have used both of those uses, that’s at issue.
You haven’t even pretended at suspicion of ATPG today, up to now.
You are way too happy for the town being three mislynches down and with a roleblocked detective.
How is this relevant at all?
I was already aware of this information.
Well, he disappeared.
Here’s my main quibbles, ‘townie’ ShadowFacts:
- You’re a claimed power role, one who is not protected Lightfoot or bulletproof septimus. It is now night phase and you’re also claiming to not have used any of your powers. You haven’t even proven your claim A LITTLE BIT with the 15 word message sharing, so far as I know, and your main weapons, the vote boost and the roleblock, you say you haven’t used yet. Okay, well you do know there are Lords of Slaughter out there who could render you as ineffective as my massive walls of text and pleas for skepticism and decisiveness, right? Right? I’m assuming AS A TOWNIE you’re a tiny bit concerned about being murd-diddly-urderfied.
No? That’s a bad assumption because you don’t feel at all vulnerable right now? Cool.
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A whole bunch of people who had been following this fiasco decided that they wouldn’t make a decision, and left. Then, people who were ostensibly not paying attention or reading the thread showed up in the nick of time to save you from death on shabby reasoning and yet another innocent player died.
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You can double your own voting power at will, and we’re going to lose another townie tonight, and if you’re guilty, should I be at all worried I won’t be here in the morning? Hmmm that’s a toughie.
So this whole wonderful scenario could repeat tomorrow and be even harder for the town to deal with if you’re scum.
OR
You could be murdered outright, and some people just wasted TexCat’s life trying to save yours.
Do you see how some of this could be a problem?
I’m guessing **no **because you’re quite pleased with the situation.
Don’t be disappointed with me, Pizza. If you want to think me scummy for keeping my votes split, that’s one thing, but I don’t think I can handle being perceived as wimpy or stupid right now given how other recent games have gone. I’m just not happy.
I can’t go back and look at the details of end of day just now, it’s too ugh. Assuming I’m still alive in the morning I’ll do it then. But here’s the situation at the time of my last post:
TexCat 7
Septimus 6
Shadowfacts 6
You had to assume TexCat would come and try to vote to save herself; ditto ShadowFacts. Both had expressed confidence in Septimus.
Texcat 9
Shadowfacts 8
Septimus 6
A vote change from me if I had done it would have flipped Texcat and Shadowfacts:
Shadowfacts 9
Texcat 8
Septimus 6
That would in fact have forced a scummy Shadowfacts to have used his power (or scrounged up teammates to save him, but what scum wants to do that?) Other potential votes for Texcat were around (I think SP had only placed one?), but may or may not have been used.
Conclusion: I should have changed my vote. I didn’t consider the effects of TexCat’s own not-yet-used votes; and I was too complacent about the likelihood that she was scum herself.
I don’t think that Suburban’s suggestion that SF’s vote power only works on votes that are already in place at the time of SF’s PM is likely to be true. Day powers normally resolve at end of day just like any other power – unless there’s something specific in the role PM I wouldn’t expect it to be different here. So I am guessing that ShadowFacts, whether scummy or just stubborn, must have been sitting there with his finger on the PM button toward end of day ready to save himself if necessary. Unless he got more than two votes behind at any point, I think that tomorrow’s hairy eyeballs for anyone who suspects him of being scum should go more toward those who posted around end of day without voting for Texcat than toward those who did, because it doesn’t appear there would have been a need for any teammates to expose themselves. Given night strategy for all in the public thread I absolutely expect day strategy in their own forum for the scum, so that should have been clear. Whether it was, don’t ask me, but it should have been.
I know that choie falls in that category; I’m not sure who else does. I’m getting over the ugh; I’ll probably grab post(s) later today.
And for any townies who legitimately believe ShadowFacts, consider the temptation for scum to just sit back and let the town eat itself if in fact both SF and Texcat were town. This is one of those situations where the scum motivation appears to be the same whether SF is scum or not. I want to look at people who avoided the issue.
Sorry, I guess I misunderstood. It seemed like you were upset that I still had the Voting power. (You said “held onto”). I interpreted that to mean that you thought I would no longer have it if I used it.
And, yes, I am happy that your campaign to lynch me failed, and I am also happy that, if we had to lynch a Townie, that person was vanilla and not a power. And since I think you are scum, I am happy that you are not happy 
If I was scum I’d be dancing a jig right about now.