Defective reproductive organs (TMI, long, whiny)

I’m frustrated and exasperated to tears, but I can’t work up the vitriol for the pit about this. I am also not seeking medical advice, simply purging some negative emotions.

My reproductive system doesn’t work right. It never has. I’m only 27 years old, but the problems started when I was between 13 and 15.

For years, I had excruciating pain with and in-between my periods. I’m talking so much pain that I got chills and I vomited. I would lie in my bed crying in the fetal position, rolling around incoherently babbling because it hurt too much to lie still or sleep.

I was told, repeatedly, that nothing was wrong with me, because Ibuprofen didn’t fix the problem. They put me on birth control, which lessened the pain enough for me to at least try to carry out my normal day-to-day life. Still, I kept getting told I was making it up.

Eventually, birth control pills did nothing, and I stopped taking them. The pain worsened over the years. Finally, in 2004 and 2005, I moved to a new place. I got a specialist OBGYN, who decided she couldn’t do anything for me. She referred me to an endocrinologist.

The endocrinologist was an asshole. He made it clear that he thought I was flat-out making everything up, despite having been in pain since 1996. I had tried everything they had thrown at me. Now, he was here to throw some new drugs at me.

I was on Lupron for 6 months, and it made me violently ill. I could set my watch by the hot flashes. My teeth started to hurt, and my joints started to ache. I gained weight.

Nothing helped, even a little.

At this point, I was begging him to do something. I had already begged for a hysterectomy, but since I didn’t have any children, they refused. I was too young, but if I had children already, they would have considered it. Nevermind that I’m bisexual with a female preference and do not want children.

My reproductive system was ruining my life. I couldn’t do anything, I was always in pain. I was missing work, and even when I forced myself to go, I was less than productive. Between the pain itself and all the medication side effects, I was barely functional as a human being.

I told them I suspected endometriosis. I had all the symptoms of it. Apparently, a patient suggesting something makes doctors twitchy. There was still the insistence – “Nothing is wrong with you.” I spent nights in the ER screaming in pain and sobbing, only to be directed home without any kind of pain relief… I was told to take ibuprofen. Every time, they just upped my dose of Ibuprofen.

Finally, I pushed them to the point of annoying them so much with my complaints that the endocrinologist said he would do a laparoscopy. I had been begging for about a year at this point, trying every drug they gave me.

He told me outright that I did not have endometriosis, because if I did, I would have responded to some of the medication he had tried, but that he would do it anyway to basically shut me up.

The day I went into surgery, he reiterated that at least they would prove I didn’t have endo.

A few hours later, I woke up to my mother telling me that the doctor told her I had endometriosis, and that they had removed some of it, but that the rest was inoperable. I also recall some vague info about cysts, but I was so groggy I don’t really remember much.

The results of the lap were positive for a while. About six months later, I started getting pain again, though not as severe. They tried more medications. I gained about 40lbs in a month, my blood pressure shot up dangerously high, and I started retaining fluid in my legs to the point where I had a hard time walking. I had to buy new shoes that were three sizes bigger, just to accomodate all the fluid. My doctors told me to wear compression stockings, but all those did was move the fluid around, not get rid of it.

I would up in the ER again and again because I COULD NOT WALK. The circulation in my legs and feet was terrible. I had fluid leaking out of my pores. The doctors just rubbed their chins and told me to keep my legs elevated and wear compression stockings. I nearly got fired from my job due to inability to keep up and walk fast enough.

About a year after my first lap, I had a second one to remove even more endometriosis. This time the doctor said they removed all the residual stuff, and that if I ever complained about pain again I should go see a psychiatrist. They told my mother this.

After the second lap, things improved a great deal. I have never been pain-free, but it alleviated a good chunk of it.

Until 2008.

Between the two laps and my treatment for sleep apnea, the edema in my legs is all but nonexistent and my blood pressure has returned to normal. I am trying like hell to take the weight I gained off, but it seems impossibly stubborn. Despite the improvements, in 2008 I began experiencing pain again. Slightly different pain, in addition to the usual pain.

I moved again, and began seeing yet another new local doctor. After a couple of very intensive appointments with her, she has determined something new.

In addition to endometriosis, I suffer from polycystic ovary syndrome.

Over the last six months, I have been in exponentially greater and greater pain. I feel about ready to beg for a hysterectomy again, but I read my insurance company’s guidelines for approval of a hysterectomy and my reasons aren’t good enough.

They also refuse to believe that endometriosis and PCOS are causing my pain. We’re back to the ‘you’re making it all up!’ garbage, again.

I’m tired of it. I’m tired of fighting with doctors. I’m tired of being in pain and trying to get people to believe me. Whenever I complain, doctors cite the fact that I’ve had two laps to remove endo damage and ignore the fact that ENDOMETRIAL TISSUE CAN GROW BACK AFTER REMOVAL. That’s part of what makes it so insidious. They also cite the fact that apparently, PCOS isn’t supposed to cause pain.

Funny, if I go look up PCOS support groups, one of the big issues facing women is the fact that they have excruciating pain and their doctors say they don’t.

The only thing my current doctor can suggest that I do is… go back to the endocrinologist. The guy who treated me like dirt and told me I nad nothing wrong with me, right up to my surgery date.

I’m miserable, and it’s affecting my entire life. I’ve also been diagnosed with massive infertility issues because of all these problems, but they’re still refusing a hysterectomy.

Because I don’t have children yet.

I don’t ovulate properly, my periods are all over the place and irregular, I bleed like crazy and have ruined clothes and bedsheets by the truckload. For the last 12 years I have battled constant, unbearable, life-altering pain.

12 years.

Most of the women in my family got hysterectomies after hemorrhaging during childbirth which nearly killed them. Ovarian and cervical cancer and breast cancer is rampant. I’ve never been keen on pushing out a ton of kids, anyway.

Apparently, though, this is not my choice to make. Until I squeeze out a few kids, I am defective. I am less than.

My own health and well-being are worth less than an imaginary child I will probably never have, that everyone else is trying to force on me. I am just the dirt for some miracle baby to grow in. My pain doesn’t matter, because everyone else has decided that I NEED to be able to have a baby, whether I actually want one or not.

I don’t even have the money for all the expensive fertility treatments I’d need, if I DID want a baby. But the most important thing is that I leave my uterus in there. That’s all anybody seems to care about. Maybe someday I will live up to my obligation to produce another human being.

I did finally find a doctor to prescribe me some mild pain meds, but a bit better than ibuprofen. They help me function enough to keep my job. This month, though, the pain is the worst it’s been in a long time. I just don’t have the energy to start this circus all over again, and not get a different result.

I just feel like giving up and saying, “Okay, you win. I’ll just shut up and suffer, and keep it to myself.”

I give up. Really. It’s too mentally and emotionally and physically exhausting to keep fighting over this, and I always feel like I’m running through a crowd where everyone is pointing at me and sneering, “Liar!” when I say I’m in pain.

One of the biggest insults is being told practically flat-out to my face that I’m faking it to get pain meds.

I know there are other people out there who suffer with these things, but I find it so difficult to make connections with other people about this kind of thing. I’ve honestly given up hope of anything ever changing.

The most depressing part? How much money it all cost me. They milked me as much as they could. Every drug they could prescribe, even ones my insurance didn’t cover. The endocrinologist really had his way with me, financially. The Lupron shots were 100$ a month, and they charged me a 30$ specialist visit co-pay just to go to the office, wait in the waiting room for an hour, sign a consent form for surgery, and leave. They could have mailed me the form.

I’m not really sure how to end this, and I could go on forever if I don’t quit soon, so I’ll just stop, here. Thanks for letting me unload.

{{{Leah M}}} I have nothing to offer but a hug and a willingness to listen.

Leah M, this sounds very sad and frustrating for you, and I’m very sorry to hear it. What a miserable way to live!

I wonder how long it would take you to find somebody to do a hysterectomy on you, if you made it your life’s focus? The story you tell makes me think your ailment is a bigger problem than the inability to bear children would be. I think somebody OUGHT to agree with you and fix you up. Don’t know how dumb this question is, but, I sure hope you get some relief!

I hear you, Leah M. Sometimes doctors really suck, and endometriosis is a bitch.

I was able to bug my doctor into a lap quicker than you (at 19), but it still took a few years from me starting to see the doctor for the pain to the surgery, and I was also told by several doctors that it couldn’t possibly be endo. (Apparently because I was in constant pain unrelated to my menstrual cycle) And the day before the lap my doctor also said that the lap was just to rule out endometriosis. Imagine everyone’s surprise when that’s what it turned out to be… The doctor was so surprised that they forgot to remove any, so after the fun chemically-provoked menopause thing didn’t take, I had a second lap to remove some tissue. My third lap was about two years ago where they tried to get some of the tissue near my colon and ended up with me having a colostomy bag for six months. But at least I was pretty painless for those six months so maybe it would be a fair trade… :stuck_out_tongue:

I’m lucky in that I don’t have it quite as bad as you, have a doctor who prescribes the good painkillers and that I’ve recently have started attending a center where they specialize on treating patients with chronic pain issues. Chronic pain fuck up both your head and your body (my physical therapist says I have so much tension everywhere from tensing up with pain that it probably worsens the pain considerably), and I’m so sorry that you have to fight so much just to be treated as a rational human being. (As an aside, it really sucks trying to explain to people what is wrong, most seem to be under the impression that it’s just like menstrual cramps and that you’re just complaining over nothing. I’ve heard the low pain threshold bit a bit too many times.)

I just wanted to tell you that you’re not alone, and the pain is definitely NOT all in your head. Next time someone tells you that you can kick them in the shin from me and say that THAT is all in their head. I have heard about the oh-you-don’t-know-what-you-want-eventually-you-will-want-a-baby-and-we-know-better-than-you attitude before. Usually they have some sort of age cut-off, where once you turn 30 or so they finally accept that this is what you really want, but I realize waiting even longer seems, well, like some sort of torture. I think your best bet would be to go doctor shopping, find some endometriosis websites and ask if anyone knows of a good doctor in your area. Eventually you will find someone who is willing to say that the chances of you getting pregnant are so slim that there really is no point in dragging it out further. (Maybe you should say that you’re a lesbian, rather than bisexual as that might be helpful in getting approval ;).) Although I’m not sure how this would work where you are with all the insurance-related nonsense. I’m in Norway so things work differently here, all my treatment is covered over the National Health Service so I don’t have to worry about that aspect of things.

Ok, this became a bit long, and a bit much about me, but maybe it helps to know that there are others out there? Sometimes I feel like just giving up too and sometimes I need to whine. It just seems so hopeless sometimes. I really hope that you’ll find someone who can help you out and that something will help. If you want to talk to someone, commiserate, whine, or whatever, just let me know.

Hugs and sympathy. And heartfelt derision for all the doctors who have refused to listen to you.

That is terrible. You’re a tough cookie, to have kept it all up so long.

I second the idea of doc shopping. Have you thought about doc-shopping abroad ? For instance, in the Netherlands, there is a considerable waiting list for non-urgent surgery. People who pay for themselves sometimes go on a trip to Turkey for cheap cosmetic surgery or LASIK- treatments. I haven’t heard of any medical screw-ups so far. The best part: surgery is combined with a recovery period next to the pool of a hotel.

If you consider how much money you lost and will lose on docs that won’t help you, and work missed, it might be a sensible decision to pay for yourself, maybe take out a loan, and have the power to seek a doc yourself.

That sounds awful, really awful. I think I would have lost patience (and my temper) years earlier–it’s admirable that you haven’t tried to kick anyone’s teeth in yet over this.

Just as a point of curiosity, do younger and childless men get denied vasectomies the way younger, childless women get denied hysterectomies and other sterilization procedures?

Thanks for the kind words, guys.

Ready for my closeup, it’s like looking into a mirror, reading your post. If I have to hear, “You just have a low tolerance for pain,” excuse one more time… I have a very HIGH tolerance for pain. Unrelated to all this, I have been having chronic issues with my teeth, and dental pain is about as bad as it gets.

Chronic pain really does mess you up, especially with the doctors refusing to acknowledge it. I start to feel like I must really be crazy, because they’re so vehemently insistent that there’s nothing for me to be feeling pain from.

And yet, it takes two minutes to search online and find support groups for all these women who have these pain issues that doctors don’t take seriously. I just don’ t understand it. I don’t understand where any of them think they have the authority to tell a patient whether or not she is feeling pain. :frowning:

Maastricht, I hadn’t thought of that, but it bears some investigation.

As serious as both the threads are, the sequence of these two just made me laugh in a terribly juvenile manner…

“Woman sets fire to husbands genitals”
“Defective reproductive organs”

See if you can’t find a supportive local doctor through referral on the endo website.

The dental pain may not be unrelated. The stress from the chronic pain could easily be causing you to grind your teeth at night, or just clenching your jaw so much that you feel it in your teeth.

Of course, I’m not a doctor. I’m just someone with chronic jaw pain from stress.

You have my deepest sympathies, Leah M. The way you’ve been treated is sinful and stupid. I’m surprised you haven’t inflicted physical violence on any of those doctors as just reading about it gives me an intense urge to shake them all silly.

Can you see a different endocrinologist?

The only option for an endocrinologist that they gave me was to go back to the same one. I might be able to find a different one if I travel, but I’d have to look pretty far.

Well there’s your problem right there! You’re in conflict with God’s plan, choosing an abominable, unnatural lifestyle. The punishment for refusing to employ you reproductive system as God intended is to experience pain in your languishing reproductive system, to feel the pain of death of every one of your unborn children. You big old sinner you!
(hope that made you laugh just a little)

It did. I do try to find humor wherever I can. :slight_smile:

I HAVE BEEN MISUSING MY ORGANS THIS WHOLE TIME? God, why don’t they have a class or something?!

I also have PCOS and endometriosis. I too had heavy, irregular periods, cramping that kept me in bed, vomiting and painful cysts. I know you mentioned birth control pills lost effectiveness after a time, but did you try them again after the surgery? Have you looked into yoga that may alleviate some pain? There are other avenues also such as spinal alignment and acupuncture, but I have no personal experiences with those methods. Hysterectomy is an extreme measure which I would consider after trying alternative methods and seeking the advice of more doctors and a number of years down the road.

I’m more than ten years older than you and in my case the pain ebbs and flows over the years. Currently, I’m happy to say that childbirth caused the most relief from my symptoms. Though that is not the case for all. Also, though there is a possibility that your fertility may be affected, there are many women who have this and have conceived naturally or with minimum fertility assistance. I was on fertility drugs with my first and conceived naturally with my second.

Traveling to different doctors is worth the effort and trying alternative methods for pain relief.
I wish you well.

I’ve already been evaluated for infertility and I have some pretty serious fertility issues. I would need to spend a great deal of money on treatments even if I wished to have children, which I don’t.

I have tried everything I can think of as a remedy. Apart from every drug possible prescribed by doctors, I’ve also tried: Aromatherapy. Tea. Heating pads. Massages. Over-the-counter stuff like tylenol and ibuprofen. Changing my diet. Avoiding alcohol, caffeine, sugar. The list goes on and on. I’ve tried everything I could find to try.

I did try birth control after the surgery. It didn’t help, at all.

Considering I’ve been in excruciating pain for 12 years and do not want children, I don’t consider a hysterectomy ‘extreme’ at this point. I want to have a life and stop being in near constant pain. How many more doctors should I see? How many more years should I wait? I’ve already sought the advice of at least a dozen doctors of varying qualifications. One endocrinologist, which is the only one available to me. At least half a dozen various OBGYN qualified doctors, midwives, and nurses. At least four or five regular physicians. Various other specialists. I’ve seen chiropractors and holistic doctors, and been to three different hospitals. I’ve had two surgeries, and they refuse to do further laparoscopies because of the risk of adhesions.

I’d like to have a life while I’m still young enough to enjoy it. :frowning:

I appreciate the attempt to offer some help, it’s just very frustrating to keep stressing (like I frequently have to do in everyday life when explaining to people what’s going on) that I can’t even think of anything else to try any more, and that I’ve exhausted every option I can really think of, beyond going through some massively complicated travel options or searching abroad.

My point of view at this time is that obviously there are problems with my insides, and I have been suffering for over a decade. Nothing has worked or helped for anything longer than very temporary relief. The reasons that they give me for outright denying even considering a surgical removal possibility are unfair to me as a person and completely inconsiderate of my well-being in general.

Obviously, even a hysterectomy is not a simple thing. I would go through menopause early and face some serious hormonal changes. But I would not be in constant pain. Half my doctors refuse to even believe I experience pain at all. It’s hard to get any treatment at all when they won’t believe you’re in pain.

IANAD/OBGYN Do you have access to a psychologist - not for your unwillingness to bear children, you heathen, you - but for the emotional anguish you face as listed here. This is not just a medical issue anymore, it’s affecting your life in many ways (“I am less than”), not only your own preferences are against children but you have a family history that would make it a frightening and potentially life threatening issue even if you didn’t have fertility issues.

I believe it’s possible for hysterectomy to be recommended on psychological grounds as well as medical. Hopefully a professional will be along to confirm / clarify the process.

As someone who went through years of daily migraines before someone other than my doctors suggested an eye test, and years of constant pain before getting on Depo (which, luckily, will keep my symptoms mostly in check till menopause), you have endless hugs and sympathy from me.

I’m really sorry you have to go through all of this. It just breaks my heart to see that you are in so much pain and the people who can help you keep turning you away :frowning: My cousin had endometiriosis and I know it’s horribly painful…and keeps coming back.

Hopefully after you gained all that weight they didn’t tell you your problems were just “you’re fat”…did they? That would have been the icing on the cake!