Not to mention that the British are the ones who invented the concentration camp.
Capt. Ridley is right, tho: it wasn’t legal when that happened; they did it anyway. There weren’t even attempts, as there were & are in the US, to say that such practices were and/or are acceptable under the law.
At least the British had good enough graces to be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves (well, maybe not that Scotland guy). Many Americans are crowing loudly about how it’s their right to torture people, ffs. It’s disgusting.
1)No one apprehended in the USA has been detained without due process.
2)European countries censor the media (prohibit the publication of suspects identities, for example) and ban outlier politrical parties (especially those on the far right).
The British were not ashamed of torturing Nazis. They had torture teams out searching for war criminals in Germany after the war.
With great power comes great irresponsibility.
Then why did they cover it up and hide it for more than 60 years?
Are you sure you know what the word “ashamed” means?
Hypocrisy would be a better word. They didnt want to be associated with the same criminal action that some nazis were on trial for. Also, it wasnt really covered up and hidden. It was covered by the Official Secrets Act. It was a part of the war effort. And just how was it more embarrassing then targeting civilians in fire bombing attacks?
My larger point was that people do extreme things when they feel extremely threatened.
José Padilla was for several years.
His case is unique because he was held as an Enemy combatant - Wikipedia . These cases are quite difficult to deal with through the traditional legal process. Authorities have no access to oversea witnesses/suspects. He planned to kill people. Im not sure how his case could have been handled differently.
An interesting qualification. Howabout those detained overseas?
Because personally I could give a shit about twisty legalities or constitutional rights that only apply within certain borders. I tend to be a pretty consistent absolutist on this one. Torture bad. Done anywhere for any reason.
How about put him on trial like the Constitution says he has a right to.
Which is what ultimately happened anyways. He was sentenced to 17 years in prison, later upped to 21 years. So yeah, it was impossible to try him. Right. No way to handle that differently at all.
Only a fascist worm would advocate the torture of little girls. Terr has gone from being a grumpy but educated senior citizen in my books to being utterly puerile and a complete disgrace. Since I have not been here long, in my eyes, wow was that a fast transition. I feel sad now.
And in Kenya and Malaya and Cyprus and N Ireland and also it seems Iraq and Afghanistan.
Your first example is considered a matter of privacy; I don’t know how is it in other countries but in Spain it’s got to do with “judicial secrecy”, with protecting both those who are under investigation from being taken to the gallows when the judiciary is just asking questions, and the investigation itself from getting muddled. You guys think of abortion as a matter of privacy, we see it as one of healthcare; you guys think of publishing the ugliest picture ever taken of someone as a matter of free speech, we don’t.
The second normally falls under “incitement to violence” laws.
If your laws cover situations outside your borders, then they have to cover them completely, that “I can nab anybody I want anywhere in the world just because I wanna, nyah nyah” is not acceptable. Either a society believes in the rule of law or it doesn’t.
I do wish people would stop repeating that claim. It’s bollocks.
Even the term wasn’t original to the camps established during the Boer War. It originates from the Spanish reconcentrados for camps set up in Cuba during the independence struggle starting in 1868. Such camps were also used by the US during the Philippine Insurrection starting in 1899.
I think that many people who use the term think it’s equivalent to the Nazi extermination camps, which it isn’t.
What the fuck does this has to do with the issue being discussed in this thread?
Stories of tortures
Used by debauchers,
Lurid, licentious, and vile,
Make me smile.
And based on his latest posts Magiver has jumped from being an expert at dismissing experts to being a disgraced willful ignorant of experts.