Defend white supremacy! I dare you!

I am not a white supremacist.

I thought I ansered you interracial marriage question. It’s fine by me, I’m not in the business of telling other people how to live their lives.

I never implied that Whites are the victims of crime more often than other groups.

As long as they don’t rent the trailer next to yours, right? (or the compound for that matter)

Here’s what I think needs to be done:
1 Convince enough Whites that we need a homeland.
2 Move to an area in North America that is uninhabited or largely White and
they share our views.
3 Declare independence.
4 Hope the U.S. Government doesn’t send in the troops.
5 Profit

My belief in the goodness of man.

I understood t-keela’s point, and I didn’t appreciate it.

I appreciate the answer and that you’d like to change the anti-Semitism within your group.

Fenris

Whatever Floats Your Boat. How would you reproduce?

Why would I be barred from visiting other places? I don’t think other people would be barred from visiting our homeland.

No.

You said “I want to live in a nation where I can walk into any city and not have to fear for my life because of who I am.” That sure sounded like you thought white people are victimized by minority criminals. Or maybe the idea is that in a land without minorities, there won’t be any crime. Either way, I guess I don’t understand what you mean here, so could you explain?

You said the LA riots and meeting hypocritical immigrants, among other events, “began to weaken my belief in Multiculturalism.” Does it not follow that you thought multiculturalism doesn’t work because everybody hates white people? You seem to have said so in other places. And you’ve certainly implied that white people are threatened.

Now that I have a few beers under the belt to lubricate the neurons a bit, here goes:

askeptic:

I am glad you are helping so much in the fight against ignorance by providing such a sterling example of it.

Well, thanks much for taking your hate-drivel the fuck outta here and putting it where it belongs. Adios, and enjoy your little hate fest! :stuck_out_tongue:
Millen88:

Brother, I feel for you, because I have felt the same way on more than one occasion. I think it’s natural, and not just for whites. Consider how a black might feel walking into an establishment (store, restaurant, whatever) that’s all-white; how a latino or asian might feel under similar circumstances.

The thing is, you can’t be a slave to your fears, nor your prejudices. Everyone, regardless of “race,” color, creed, religion, sex or sexual preference get’s the same heeby-jeeby’s you’re describing when confronted and surrounded by “different” or “other.”

Especially when those “others” may have some very legitimate historical reasons for believing some ill-will pre-exists between you and them based upon those differences.

Getting your “slice of the pie,” and doing your best to ensure that your children get a fair shake doesn’t mean that your actions are taking theirs away, however much the PC crowds screams that it is, and that you are a bad, bad, evil white person for living well and being educated.

Hey! Fuck the bozos! Idiots come in all sizes, shapes and colors. You can’t let the PC hate-spew scare you into reactionary positions; then you are exactly what they claimed you were in the first place.

Understand that, historically, t-kella’s point is germaine; if not phrased delicately, it at least has the honesty and brevity to directly confront an extremely thorny sticking point of any notional “white separatism.” If this whole topic is ever going to be more than an intellectual and moral exercise for you, it is one that will, sooner or later, have to be addressed.

If I may be presumptuous:

I get the impression from the tone of your posts that this whole “White Separatism” thing is, for you, a kind of idea, and one that you have devoted some thought to, but only superficially. I do not get the impression that it is a dearly held, or deeply considered one. If I am wrong, I apologize now for casting these aspersions.

I’ll just close by stating that, in my opinion, a separate White Nation in the United States ain’t gonna happen short of a socio-political revolution on the scale of the French or Russian Revolution.

Blood running like a river in the streets…

I want no part of it.

Actually, I don’t think that I did say that.
Is this some sort of trick to try to get me to attempt to define Whiteness for you?

Mother - Leitrim
Father - Cavan

I’m perfectly content to let statement that stand on it’s own.

You insist there’s “no such thing as race”, then you declare our ideology a mess. Of course it is a mess if there’s no such thing as race. Keep in mind that we’re not even close to the only ones dealing with “racial” issues, you’ve got quite a few others to clean up also.

And yes, defining “who is white” for the purpose of Nationalism or the like is very (very) messy. But, it can be done. it can only be done in broad, sloppy strokes. Eugenics will straighten out the errors over time.

You’ve no idea our goals or agenda, as they’ve not been brought up in any detail here, (by me anyway - I’m not following the whole thread). I can give you links if you want them.

:frowning:

Racists aren’t unfettered in academia and you know that perfectly well. I don’t agree that people like Graves that are advancing this deconstructionist agenda aren’t political. They are. While I envy you having the mainstream on your side, I’m not convinced by it.

I think he does, (still using Graves as an example), a nice job of showing that racial categorizations are sloppy. I think he proves nicely that that races aren’t a subspecies. The fact that modern biology “defines” races as equivalent to subspecies is just arbitrary dogma, not science.

Then there’s one of my favorites: The quantification of genetic differences between races. Can you really take that serious? The relevance of it I think I can refute in two words: “genetic defects”. There may be an indetectable quantitative genetic difference between two brothers, one who is schizophrenic the other who isn’t, yet one is a raving lunatic that can’t function, and the other isn’t.

I guess we’ll have this debate, though you can find it ad nauseam on Stormfront already. (I’m not the expert on it either, so if you are, you should go there and find someone who is). It always ends when everyone gets bored with the thread and stops posting. Next topic: Greater variation of attributes withing racial categories than between.

There’s statistical evidence to suggest more differences in races than superficial, though I concede someone has to locate a consistent genetic cause of these differences to prove it beyond your ability to refute.

Um…but wait: if you allow non-whites to visit Whiteopia, sooner or later some Whiteopian lass will get curious about these dusky visitors and get knocked up. What happens to the kid? Is the mother kicked out? You can’t let a half-white kid be a citizen (can you?) I assume you wouldn’t kill the kid. And the kid can’t stay or he might reproduce which would compound the problem. If this happens enough times (and eventually, it will) Whiteopia is in the same place that the USA is currently in. What then?

Fenris

I’m a programmer. I had to make copies for the first few months when I first started out. How many years of experience do you have?

I’m well aware of the history between Ireland and England. Both my parents still think the Irish are a different race from the English. I don’t have the heart to tell them that that’s not true. Actually, I’ve always considered multiculturalism to be at the heart of the problem in Northern Ireland.

There’s going to be IQ tests and physicals? I may be in trouble on both counts.:smiley:
That’s fine if you’re not interested in joining us.

I to am interested in other cultures.

I posted this response, but it didn’t appear. So, I’m gonna repost it with this added comment.

Actually this wasn’t my point, despite the fact that it may have also been true. My point was that even the Nazi regime didn’t intend for genocide to be the answer to de Fuhrer’s command. It was however, the only solution, in fact the final solution after all others were denied.

** Millen88** Don’t misunderstand what I was saying. I wasn’t trying to imply that YOU felt that genocide was preferable to co-existance. However, I want to be sure that you understand that the Nazi’s original intent was the deportation of minorities (specifically but not limited to Jews) from the fatherland. The problem that Germany encountered with this mandate was that NO-ONE else would take them either. Did you get that?
NO other nation would accept the immigrant Jews from Germany (hippocritical wouldn’t you say?) by not allowing the Jews to be relocated to safe havens, they did in fact, allow the exterminations to take place. You admittedly support the deportation of minorities from SOME nations to (wherever you think) they are welcome. If not then what?

YOU SAID

Did I miss something in my translation of these remarks made by you?

Again I quote you.

Didn’t appreciate what?
Please explain, I’m not trying to be obstinate or obtuse, just curious about your logic in this matter. :slight_smile:
Wouldn’t it be simpler for you to relocate to a country with a demography that is more like what you perceive yourself to be? This comment or suggestion is not one of sarcasm or rebuke. It is simply an observation of convenience. It would IMHO be much less trouble and expense for everyone if people who desire to live in a “nation” made up of people with similar ancestry to just go there.

No pun intended, but if I were Japanese and wanted to live in a nation of Japanese people. I would probably move to Japan.

So, what say you?

I’ll trust the guards’ judgement. And if a few people who may not be White get in, then so what?

None of the white supremacists, or, all right, white separatists, on this thread have posed a persuasive answer to the real, core question: Whether the “white race” is to be defined broadly or narrowly, culturally or genetically, why is it important that it be preserved? What’s wrong with race-mixing, in genetic or cultural terms? We all want to live on in our descendants – but why is it important to you that your descendants should be just like you in the ways you associate with the idea of “race”?

I remember there was a famous and influential racist named Lothrop Stoddard, who in the 1920s published a book called The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy. His thesis was that the white gene-pool must be preserved in purity, because the white race is inherently mentally superior to others, which is what made modern scientific-industrial civilization possible; and any race-mixing degrades its genetic quality, because white mental superiority is a recent evolutionary development “but lately stamped on the germ-plasm” and therefore too fragile to survive cross-breeding with more primitive races. But in light of modern genetic science, all this is obvious nonsense. There is no real evidence that whites, however defined, are mentally superior to other races (the Bell Curve hypothesis has been pretty effectively debunked – but that’s another thread); and there is no evidence that any characteristic of the human genome is more “fragile” than any other, except insofar as it involves recessive genes.

So why must the white race, or any race, be preserved as an isolated gene-pool? I mean, are we breeding people or dogs?

This is not an acceptable situation for me, because due to the low birth rate of Whites and continued non-White immigration, Whites will eventually be washed away from the face of the Earth.

Please forgive me, edwino, I do not mean to pick on you. I have seen others express this and am finally compelled to ask.

Why is it clear that people would want to move there? Imagine for a moment, that all of the white seperatists and all those who sympathize with them were able to form a commune in northern Canada, for instance. What sort of population are we talking about? A few million at the extreme far outside? How is it that everyone assumes that suddenly the entire world will be clamoring to move there?

It seems implicit in this assumption that the massive immigration to the United States was in some manner a desire to live with white people? Doesn’t that sound absurd?

What if we were to find some island in the Allutians perhaps where these people could live.

1)Millen88 would that satisfy you?

  1. Why would the rest of us care? Assuming that the island was not taken by force, and that no one living there objected to adding imigration restrictions to the area.

I mean, I would understand if someone suggested that, given the propensity for violence of some people who support white seperatism, that we should screen anyone who wants to come out of such a community. But why in the world would we care if they screen people going in?

I must be missing something basic. If I am I appologize in advance.