If the women aren’t also all blue-eyed, they’d spend the rest of their lives sterilizing people.
I’m a white nationalist, and hopefully I can help answer some of your questions. Feel free to ask if you have any remaining lol.
Why do you guys end every sentence with “lol” or a smiley? Are you trying to convey the idea that your movement is basically a big joke?
You hit the nail on the head with that one. Typical “Doper” tactic.
SDMB… where the average and mundane pose as intelligentsia.
And here’s a good example.
No, you really aren’t all that bright. 
As far as I’ve seen I’m just about the only one, and it’s probably a bad habit picked up from too much IRC, and I don’t really do it very much.
The last sentance in my above statement was a half-joke, half-seriousness, as this thread is quite long and I don’t know what questions anyone would have left, so I added a lol because I myself found it kind of amusing.
Sue me.
Anyone have any real questions?
Well we can’t all be unenlightened visitors.
Or, in some cases, unenlightened tag-alongs.
Which traits can be universally attributed to “whites”? As Darwin’s Finch puts it in his typically concise and quotable manner:
Do you admit that “white” is an arbitrary taxon having no currency in modern science?
Okay, there is no way I can respond to this volume of posts. I have 5 midterms next week. Here’s one at somewhat random.
Everyone White, yes.
What do you mean? This doesn’t make any sense. Europid parents breed Europid, or White, children.
Obviously, many of you are clearly not getting the point. Blue eyes do not equal White. They are merely a convenient example of the recessive genes in danger of annhaialation.
Ridiculous.
:rolleyes: Such a minisule level of admixture is irrelevant. “Total purity,” as if there was such a thing, is not practical. But you are asking me to accept extinction for this reason.
Caste? No. Meritocracy.
Women… agggh. :rolleyes: How do you suppose this works?
Willing yes, but those ideas are dumb and useless.
SentientMeat has already asked the big one. But here’re some I have:
Given that the chances of you folks actually getting your “White Nation” are precisely nil, what is the real point of your movement / philosophy?
Given there is no space on earth not currently already part of one country or another, where do you propose setting up this “White Nation”? How do you propose to actually set it up in the first place?
What do you propose to do with any non-whites who are currently occupying that space?
How do you propose to keep your allegedly pure bloodlines pure and snowy-white in the first place?
Do you honestly believe that whites are somehow doomed to extinction (ahead of the rest of the human species, that is), despite all reasonable population growth models indicating that, like all other groups, their numbers will actually increase over time?
The television, for one, is unprecedented in history. For another thing, our parents weren’t really paying attention to what was becoming of us while screwing in cardboard boxes on acid. The “goodness” was misdirected.
It was also a backlash from the uselessness of the Jim Crow segregation. If that coward had had the balls for separation, everything would be different.
A people unwilling to reproduce at replacement level and willing to be displaced by alien peoples in our own countries is accepting “population replacement”. E.g., “it’s time for us to roll over and get out of the way, our time is up”. What does this have to do with “equal rights”?
YES!!
Sort of.
More or less.
I don’t want to argue supremecy here, but I’ll try to be of some assistance to Xenologist if I can. Why? Because he a member of an even smaller group of people than you realize. A tiny niche group of individuals who like my mp3’s. (Ouch, I want to put a smiley here but I saw that some poster is bothered by it).
I guess it’s a “defend white supremecy” thread anyway, (but it listed White Nationalism in the start post).
I can point out is that while your scientific argument is based on good science, as an argument it’s really no end of discussion. There’s not a rule that a supremicist requires a single consistent white group or some minimum threshold of racial purity for the group.
A supremist could simply believe that the aggregate of many variations that are generally identified as “white” is on whole superior to the rest of humans. That would even allow that variations within the group were inferior to variations of non-whites. It could just be a handy way to divide people up to include the ones they DO want and exclude the ones they don’t.
It’s just a a click or so more macroscopic than declaring that by some criteria, (let’s say a school exam), group A is superior to group B on average, (even though some individuals in group B are superior to some individuals in group A). We do that all the time. Now, if group A has been beating group B fairly consistently as of late, and you happened to notice everyone in group A can be identified by a big heart shaped mole on their neck, you could divide students by neck moles and be sure to include the A group. Doesn’t mean you know or care if the neck mole is any way related to test performance.
Yes.
If you have a source for this “model,” I would like to see it.
How about the U.S. Census?
Now, I’ll be honest, I hesitated to link to that because I figured you’d latch on to the “Hispanic population triples vs 7% increase in non-Hispanic white population”, but I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt. While the article shows that non-Hispanic whites will “only” be 50% of the population (in 45 years), it still shows an increase in the number of non-Hispanic whites living in the US.
We don’t think it’s nil. You are blatantly fishing for a strawman.
Declaring our goals difficult and ambitious is no way to repudiate them. We think the political climate will come about on its own. If you don’t, then you’ve nothing to be concerned about.
Currently, there’s no such political climate and not very many WNs. To imagine establishing a White Nation can only conjur images of some tiny group of militants attempting some violent overthrow. I can only assume this is your concern. If, for example, there were 50 million WN’s in the U.S. then don’t you think something could perhaps be negotiated?
We think that with non-extraordinary immigration and other policies eugenics will take its natural course. We don’t think it’s being left to nature right now. How did whites get and stay white in the first place? One doper will post that Europe constantly absorbed waves of black Africans, the next will insist that some inhuman system would have to be devised to maintain even a distinct appearance.
I don’t think they’ll become fully extinct as they’d eventually narrow to groups that - for any number of reasons - don’t race mix and maintain an adequate birth rate. They might become extinct if they narrowed to a tiny group that was too small to defend itself and was slaughtered by non-whites. There’s no denying that white and non-white groups in the world as a whole are not following the same reproductive strategies.
The chances aren’t “nil,” and until they are we will continue to fight.
But at this exact moment my personal goal is to educate other white’s as to the dangers to our race.
The White Nation, as you put it, would have to be made out of the midst of another country, either by local or national political control. I don’t see this happening in my life time, but I know it will happen eventually.
Evict them.
This is a large topic to hit on, so I can’t hit on the whole thing, but I can tell you about my personal plan.
I am pure, 100% German. I’ve traced my bloodlines back as many generations as I can, and they’re all German. So as near as I can tell, I am pure German.
Now, I would like to keep the German bloodline. That is, marry a German, and have little German babies. However I would not be opposed to marrying someone else of pure European, thus aryan, descent, if that is love’s plan.
In my mind, it’s all about keeping it Aryan, but I’m going to try for the subdivision of German.
Yes I do. There is WAY too much information to give you, but my simple answer to this one is to look around on Stormfront and other informational WN sites.
Most of them will contain information on this, and I have double checked the information myself with varies official federal agencies, and I have indeed come to the conclusion that we are doomed.
As well I can simply see it all around me here in the USA. We used to only have a few mexicans and blacks in my town - now it is rampant with them. They’re even moving black welfare families into my neighborhood because taxes went up for everyone except minorities, who obviously get a break. Now we are the minority. Rinse repeat.
Anyone else have questions? I will try to answer the best I can.
Interesting. You do know that at least in the States, there is a percentage, whatever percentage of you feel comfortable with; of “White” that have a mixture of Native, African and Asian American genes correct? You do know that for all outward appearances this people appear “white”. You are also aware that there is no telling how those genes may manifest themselves, when combined with the genes of another hidden person of “color”.
You claimed to be able to tell a person’s race, by looking at them, so i’m sure that you would be able to tell when a recessive gene kicks in and manifests itself. Such as a white kid with an light brown Afro. What’s your plan then, give him a process and pretend all is well? Does he get to marry your daugther?
No, I do get the point… **your point.**Your point was that only white people can have blue eyes, anyone else is a ‘hybrid’, you remember saying that, right? Are you changing your position now? It seemed to me, using your declaration that only pure whites have blue eyes (asians, blacks and others can have brown eyes too), the only way to be sure of purity would be to ensure that only white people with blues eyes exist and anything esle should be discouraged.
What’s the point of being pure, if at anytime that purity can be threatened?
Am i going too far? Too committed? If I was to believe in racial purity, I sure as hell wouldn’t be breeding with a bunch of Americans, the mutts of the world. But hey, that’s me.
Interesting, so if my great-grandfather was black, but I look white, with blue eyes of course, I get in? Will all your brethen feel the same? What percentage of black admixture is acceptable?
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Women… agggh. How do you suppose this works?
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Same way you breed a good dog. Sterilze or kill the ones that don’t have the desired traits and breed the others. Females are valuable as breeding stock, but I only need a relatively few “pure” males to do the job.
Which means, I don’t need you.
You know it’s gonna suck in the end, when you realize that you aren’t good enough for the club you created and they don’t want you…
This is one god-damned long thread. It has been fascinating, though, if only because it highlights some serious problems with the WN movement.
With regards to that, I am surprised no one has mentioned this. If the White Nationalist is truly concerned about the disappearance of the white man (whatever that means), then it would seem to me that a far more effective and likely method of preserving the proportion of white folk around would be to reduce the birth rate among non-white folks in poor countries where many people emigrate to the US (or Europe or Australia or Canada). If I’m not mistaken, the best way to reduce the birth rate in a society is to give people individual freedoms, ala western democracies, inherent rights, economic opportunities that allow people to accumulate wealth freely and create a solid and majority middle class, and most importantly, full equality for women. It’s really a result of the availability of these things that western countries (which just happen to be primarily white by geographic coincidence) have developed the demographics we have now.
So here’s what I hope every White Nationalist decides after reading this thread: give up the idea of a white homeland, because it ain’t gonna happen, and start aggressively working towards the betterment of life for the rest of the world, so that they can start living middle-class, self-centred WASP-style double-income-no-kids lives, and then their birth rates will fall and not only will white people continue decreasing in proportion but there will also be a curb on overall population growth, which is always a good thing.
(Incidentally, I’m white, and I’m prejudiced, but only against other white people, specifically white trash, can’t help myself there.)
Anyone who is an American, by birth or by naturalization, is no more of an alien in this country than I am. And I’m all “white” — Irish, German, English —though bullshit like this makes me ashamed to be.
Women… agggh. How do you suppose this works?
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Same way you breed a good dog. Sterilze or kill the ones that don’t have the desired traits and breed the others. Females are valuable as breeding stock, but I only need a relatively few “pure” males to do the job.
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I’m asking again: How do you expect to get a an all blue-eyed population if you aren’t killing/sterilizing non-blue-eyed women?