The purpose is to create a place where Whites won’t be exploited. I’m not into genetics, so I’ll say cultural. Yes, A person can be non-White and still culturally White to me.
I bet I know what your next question is going to be.
My answer is: I don’t know.
No, I would not.
Okay, then according to Yggdrasil, “race” is functionally defined by racial conflicts. But what if two or more “groups sharing physical or cultural affinities” do not fight or use the political process for shifting resources in their favor? What if it turns out that they do not fight, or that when they fight, their loyalties break down along completely different lines, such as class or religion or political ideology or regional (as distinct from ethnic) culture? Does that mean that the groups in question are not actually “races”?
And what’s this about “drawing rational borders around competing groups to minimize conflict”? Does this mean definitional borders, or geographic borders (which only makes sense as between monoracial states), or barriers to social interaction? And, again, what if the groups in question are not in fact “competing”?
You are slick. I just wonder when the race based diatribe will begin. And I know it will…
Millen, we seem to have a contradiction here.
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You’re entitled to your opinion.
Yet you say you want a white homeland “So that Whites can survive as a distinct racial/ethnic group for all time.” And apparently, by “racial/ethnic group,” you mean a group that shares certain cultural, as opposed to genetic, characteristics. Which raises several obvious questions:
Assuming there is such thing as a “culture” that is characteristic of a “race” – what exactly are the characteristics of white culture that set it apart from other racial cultures?
Is there anything that makes white culture fundamentally better than other racial cultures?
Why does the presence of large numbers of non-whites in America and Europe constitute a threat to white culture’s survival? Won’t they be assimilated to the local culture in a generation or two?
Again, why is it important that “Whites can survive as a distinct racial/ethnic group for all time”? Assuming you define “whites” culturally rather than genetically – why would it bother you to contemplate that your great-grandchildren might grow up with a cultural heritage that includes influences or elements from other racial cultures? Remember, as a white American you already belong to a culture that includes elements from several cultures, not all of them “white” by even the broadest possible definition.
My question for Milen88:
Are you open to the possibility of a well thought out argument here on the SDMB changing your views towards white nationalism (i.e., if someone makes an argument you can’t refute, would you change your mind?)
(Sorry for the misspell, Millen88)
Also, will you be spreading your views to your children?
Are there not multiple cultures within the “white” identity? The Greeks, Irish, Russians, and French all have their own languages, customs, and traditions. In this White Nation, who’s culture will be represented? What language will be spoken? Who’s religion will dominate? By what criteria would you go by to decide who’s particular culture will dominate?
I don’t know. Maybe we would be a diverse community.
White people did not found this country alone. Blacks and Asians…as well as the Native Americans…struggled on this great continent along with Europeans. Why should this country go to whites when many different peoples built it, died for it, and are presently maintaining it.
I don’t know. Who said it should?
By saying North America belongs to whites, does this not belittle the contribution that other groups made?
Yes, it does.
If you know whiteness when you see it and yet can’t define it for us, then just how useful is the concept of “whiteness”? If everyone can self-identify as white and then become a member of White World, what’s the point? Every club has consistent rules regarding who or who may not become a member. For Jews, you have to either be 1)the offspring of a Jewish mother or 2)have undergone a specific and rigorous conversion ritual. For blacks, the rules are looser but still existent: one drop of “black blood” is all that it takes. What are the rules for being white? There must be some metric that the rulers of White World would use to judge who can be a citizen and who cannot be one.
I think Whiteness should be decided on a case by case basis.
And therein lies your problem (well, apart from the fact that you’re wrong). You, and those like you, don’t have a plan. You can’t stir up revolution and then decide exactly how your new state is going to be run; nobody but the true fanatic is going to risk an acceptable current situation for an unknown hypothetical “White State” in which they might not be “White” enough.
The Russian Revolution contained the seeds of its own downfall; the members of the Petrograd Soviet didn’t know what the machinery of the Socialist Republic was going to look like, so they weren’t in a position to complain when it became a one-party state. Indeed, many of those who should have been planning the apparatus of government simply carved out whatever kingdom they could in their brave new world, and so the liberators of the people became their conquerors.
For all you know, if your white homeland ever comes to exist (God forbid), it might very well be a dictatorship. Would pledging your life and loyalty to a monarch sit well with you? Would it be okay, since he’s a whitey?
This doesn’t really fit with the other examples you gave- the “one drop” rule was established by whites, not by blacks.
Well, it hasn’t yet. Treat him as you’d expect to be treated: as an individual, not as part of some gestalt entity.
Why? While I am an individual, this obvious NAZI belongs to a hate group? Why should we treat people that want to stuff us in ovens with respect? I could be their poster boy. Blond Hair, Blue Eyes, Caucasian, 5’11", Military service, but they fucking disgust me.
Blathering about racial superiority, when the midget from austria that they love had a jewish aunt.
I say treat the nazi basterd as he would treat us if he could. 
I believe he’s defining two different concepts of race, one actual, one political, and saying the latter groups define themselves via competition. So, if they aren’t competing it doesn’t mean they’re the same race. It just means they haven’t defined themselves as two competing groups politically. Not sure, (and never thought about this statement much myself), but he may not believe it’s realistic for them not to compete, so your question never even occured to him.
None of that’s going to make a lot of sense unless you keep in mind that racialists believe ethnic and racial competition is the root of, um, I guess I’d say “group conflict”, (“war” is too specific). That replaces the common view that material competition is the fundamental cause of it, (though no denying it’s ever present).
People are altruistic and will share and work together to an extent rather than fight each other competing for resources. That may sound naive, but it’s just a reality you see happening around you every day. It’s key to racists beliefs that people who share a common ethnicity, or see themselves as part of the same group, tend more to cooperate rather than compete. It’s called the “dual code”, (one code of behaviour for your group, a different one for other groups).
I think most of us, starting with Ygg, would take any of the above, with geographical obviously being ideal to a White NATIONALIST. A lot of WN’s don’t see that as anything but an ideal. From your view those might be the ones to oppose the strongest. I can’t see why oppose someone who’s purely a separatist, (unless they’re suggesting that you should be the one to move).
I hope I’m responding to your questions properly. We’re kind of on different wave lengths. I’m trying to be very terse, as I saw the other WN’s get summarily banned, and figure the less I say the better
BTW: I don’t defend some of the bizarre statements they made. A non-white can’t think in 3D? WTF? 
Why all the WN this and WN that? To use their words, lets call a spade a spade. I am sick of nazi morons. They make me sick. They make me ashamed to tell people I am American! Have you forgotten that McViegh was a nazi?
This strikes me as inane. They define themselves “via competition?” Does that mean that political parties are racial groups?
It sounds like you’re acknowledging that biological definitions of race are complete garbage so you’re stuck with trying to find some vague cultural didtinction, but you also can’t seem to identify what any of those distinctions would be. Pointing to imaginary “competition” as defining factor really doesn’t say anything. I don’t feel like I’m in competition with other racial groups, in fact if “competition” is the definition then I must not meet your definition of “white” since I would definitely align myself against any attempt to form a “white nation.”
Tell me this, what if, as Lenny Bruce once suggested, we all just keep fucking each other until everybody is the same color? Wouldn’t that eliminate racial conflict?
Why do you care if “white” people disappear as distinct group? Why is it necessary for any human being to have pale skin?
By albinos, I guess?
No group survives for all time without changing. Why should white people? They’re not even a group to begin with. What you’ve decided is one group is actually a large number of different groups that happen to have less melatonin than some other groups and who have historically inhabited different parts of a continent that’s several million square miles in size.
By the way, what’s your position on interracial marriage?
That would be a multicultural one, then.
Because you started this thread in the spirit of curiosity, not to spread propaganda. And because there’s actually been a little discussion here, not just constant violation of the rules of the board. That said, I hope nobody does this again.
I can understand your frustration with some of the above issues; many people who aren’t white nationalists are frustrated by the same ones. Do you believe that some of the above issues are remnants of the injustices which european white christendom has inflicted on African-Americans? Do you understand why a recently suppressed minority might still hold strong tribal allegiances (re OJ Simpson) even when it seems counter to reason? Would whites not do the same in similar circumstances? Do you agree that black hostility towards whites in the US has been on the steady decline since the 60’s? If all the issues above worked themselves out over a few generations of exposure to liberalized attitudes towards race, would you be willing to drop the idea of an all-white nation?