Define 'sports car'

From the September 1967 Road & Track:

So in a nutshell, a sports car doesn’t have to have high performance; but it must have superior handling. This is the most important requirement. It is at least implied that it should have a standard transmission. It must have instrumentation so that the driver can see what’s going on with his machine. And there must be ‘feel’ – sounds, vibrations, etc. so that the driver can tell what’s happening without referring to the instruments.

These are pretty much the parameters that I believe define a sports car. Others will say that a 1960s Ford Mustang or Chevy Camaro is a sports car. Only I think that they fail the test in that they do not have handling as precise as cars that I (personally) would call a sports car.

How would you define ‘sports car’?

I agree with your definition, but require a manual transmission. I’d say that subjective measurements are more important than objective ones; a Miata is more of a sports car than an SL65 AMG, even though the Benz is way the hell faster. Along those lines, even though convertibles typically lose a little bit of performance, you feel more involved, so ragtops get bonus points.

If I had to give a definition better than, “I know it when I see (or drive) it,” I’d say it’s a car whose primary purpose is driving enjoyment, rather than practicality.

I thought those were “muscle” cars, similar, but not sportscars.
My '77 280Z was considered, at least by the insurance co as a touring car. I test drove a '66 Ferrari the same year I bought the Z, and I’d say both fit the bill as sports.
Even though the 'Vette we have now is an automatic, it still give me the feel of “being there.” I think real sportscars are “polite,” they speak when spoken to, and they come when called.

I bought an '86 Starion after the Z, and while it was a powerful machine, it never put me in touch with the road the way the Z did.
(Mine looked nearly identical to the one in the link, but the cockpit was much different.)

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If I need a shoe horn to get into one and I can’t afford it, it’s a sports car.

Meeny, meeny years ago, I had the pleasure of owning a Triumph TR3 and a few years later, an Austin Healy Sprite. Both these cars were a delight to drive, but neither had much HP or practicablity. They woud not have been pleasant to drive for extended distances, or to have to rely on for daily transportation, but I’d love to have another car like one of those. It’s not about speed, it’s all about manouerveability and being one w/ the machine.

I think it’s a little bit about speed. To be a sports car, I think it should be able to go at least 130 or so, minimum. I also think rear wheel drive is a must. I prefer it to be a stick, but I don’t really think you can say an automatic 'Vette isn’t a sports car, although you can say the owner is a wus. :wink:

Since it was a gift, I couldn’t really argue, now could I? So I won’t ask if you’d like to take it outside. (That, and I’d probably wet myself, if you said yes, 'cause I AM a wus!)

What about cars that everyone accepts as being sports cars that won’t break 100? For example (top speeds 85-95 mph), Triumph Spitfires (at least the early ones), MG Midgets/Austin Healy Sprites, Fiat 850 Spiders, Fiat 1500 Spiders? Or ones that barely break 100 (top speeds 107), such as the MGB or Porsche 356C?

I would call those roadsters, not sports cars.

My buddy Frank summed it up nicely:

“If it doesn’t speak italian, it is not a sports car…though it is probably reliable”

I think having only two seats is a highly desirable, although perhaps not essential, requirement. For instance, the Mitsubishi Evo and the Subaru Impreza WRX are acclaimed by everyone as great-handling, quick, and hot cars. I’ve driven both, and they are great fun on the track.

But they look like boxy sedans, not like sports cars.

I won’t be dogmatic about the two-door thing. I’ll bet we can come up with a few worthy exceptions.

But my attitdue toward the Evo and WRX suggests that in addition to two doors a sports car has to have a certain “sports car look.” I has to visually suggest that it is meant for fun first and functionality second.

This is why I would say that the 1960s Mustangs were sports cars, but the mid-1980s Mustangs were not. The early Mustangs couldn’t handle very well, and didn’t have much power, but they were fun cars and had spirit. That 1986 Mustang in the link had more power and better suspension, but no soul.

I don’t mean to say that a sports car has to look wild and exotic, like a Bugatti Veyron (the most powerful and expensive production car in the world). But it can’t look like plain vanilla transportation. The Miata is a simple but elegant design that just says “fun and sporty.”

So my criteria are:

  • Good (not necessarily great) handling
  • Good (not necessarily great) power
  • Two seats
  • Manual transmission
  • Sporty looks (whatever that means)

None of these is absolutely essential if there’s enough in the other categories to make up for the missing quality. Nor can there be quantitative criteria, IMHO. I agree with Renee that a sports car has to be quick, but I wouldn’t go so far as to put a number on it, and certainly not as big a number as 130 mph. My first track car, a Miata, could barely get to 105 at the end of the front straight at Summit Point, but it was a lot of fun.

So like art, it’s hard to pin down, like love, it takes a lot of different things all working well together, and like porn, you know it when you see it.

My definition includes a convertible top.

Datsun 240Z? Nope.
Mazda RX-7? Nope.

And seating for two (I might be willing to accept jumpseats behind, ala Austin-Healey 3000, but they have to be useless).

Mustang GT? Nope.

And taut, precise handling.

Buick Riatta? Nope.

And a manual transmission.

Paddle shifters? Nope. Ya gotta do the clutch work yourself.

It’s your definition and all, but this cuts out a lot of cars that most people think of as sports cars: lots of Porsches, Ferraris, Maseratis, Lamborghinis, are not ragtops. Nor is my car. The Aston Martin DB5 that James Bond drove was not a convertible (until he launched the passenger with the ejector seat).

Also, from my perspective as someone who regularly drives on race tracks, convertibles are far less desirable than hard tops, because of the risk of accidents. I have a roll bar in my hardtop 350Z

I understand the fun of driving with the top down (my first sports car was a Miata), but I think this aspect of your definition is a little too restrictive.

If someone offers me the chance to drive a Ferrari or Porsche or other supercar with paddle shifters, I’m not going to look down my nose and say, Sorry I only drive real sports cars. But that’s just me.

I’ve had my MGB up to 102. It’s a sports car.

I’ve had a couple of Nissan Zs, a Corvette and the 560 SL, all of which I’d consider “sports cars”, yet my Cayenne S has superior handling, horsepower, acceleration and top speed than any of them and it hardly qualifies as one. So I think performance probably isn’t a good overall descriptor.

Maybe it’s what they don’t have… sports cars typically are ill designed for anything other than enjoying elements of the road. Poor gas mileage, cramped seating, low clearance, premium gas, less safe… all these can be common elements of the sports car.

If it wasn’t designed for anything other than getting max contact with and feel for the road…

The first Corvette I drove was a '56 the steering wheel was so big, and the shifter throw so wide, I had to run around to drive it. Was it a sportscar? Damn right it was!

To me, anything that could enter a Grand-Am or ALMS race is a sports car.

Sports Car: A car where the driving satisfaction is placed over the safety of the occupants.

Would a Honda Insight count as a sports car? I got a lift in one on Monday: swoopy little two-seater, agile, manoevreable, manual shift… it is front-wheel drive, though.

(My friend had the instruments set to US units for some reason, and we recorded an average mileage of 61 MPG over a trip of 172 miles (277 km). We went from 20 km south of Bancroft to Toronto on a quarter of a tank of gas, and the car was full. :slight_smile: )