I didn’t say it was. It does seem pretty common however.
An English professor always told me to use the word “some” in front of “people” when a statement is not universal. I think SOME people misunderstood what you said because you didn’t do that. Semantics, am i right?
It seems pretty common…
with women who have the maturity-level of a middle school girl.
Again, this must be a difference between your and my experiences and what we hear and read. I do not see or hear of this being common at all.
Different types of friends, I guess.
A Nice Guy thinks that things that you do for a woman are coins you’re plunking to a machine which will eventually dispense sex.
A nice guy describes himself as something else - as somebody else said, as an engineer, as a nerd, as a musician, as a guy who likes board games.
I think I’d rather meet the guy who describes himself as a Nice Guy than the guy who describes himself as a guy who likes board games though.
These ring true in my experience. There’s a female equivalent: “I’m a really sweet person.” It seems to mean “I speak a couple octaves above my register in order to inspire protective feelings, toss terms of endearment around in order to ingratiate myself to others, and generally make a display of being accommodating in order to manipulate others into doing favors for me.”
If someone says “She’s a sweet person” she is. If she says “I’m a sweet person” you might want to take a step back and wait for that to bear out.
Crap. There goes that chance.
…says the guy who plays Scrabble in Esperanto. Yes, with other people.
There’s a relevant(?) description in the song “Stranger in Blue Suede Shoes” by Kevin Ayers:
He gave me a smile that was sickly and wet
And I offered him one of my “cigarettes.”
He took it, afraid that he might appear rude,
And proceeded to serve me some second-class food.
Nice guys…meet 'em everywhere.
Do you use the regular point totals that are on the tiles, or is the letter frequency in Esperanto different enough that they need to be changed?
I mean, I hate board games.
That’s not true. There are plenty of “Genuine NGs” I know that struggle with women and the dating thing.
I’ve said it on threads here before but I do think that in general guys are very bad at dating, and lack confidence, until the point where they have a very positive experience e.g. mutual infatuation (regardless if the relationship ends badly).
But to get that positive experience, while still lacking confidence, you need a little luck. That’s my theory.
Note also that there isn’t just one confidence here; you can lack confidence in dating but be confident elsewhere.
I don’t know, I’m just looking at my female family members. They all (with the exception of me and my little sister, and I think I’m blamed for her taste in men) date really nice men. It’s not some struggle for them; they don’t even see the possible appeal of jerks. I know, because it’s made them be assholes about my bad experiences with abusive men.
My older sister is very pretty and delightful and she only likes nice men and none of them have seemed a bit desperate for the ladiez. And they’re not supermodels either. Just regular, nice men who are also reasonably fun and interesting to be around.
I’d define it like this:
A nice guy does nice things for a woman for her benefit. A Nice Guy does nice things for a woman for his benefit. Being a Nice Guy is like inviting a friend over for dinner so you can give them a multilevel marketing spiel.
I used to do that sort of thing, back before I joined the SDMB; people kept accusing me of using “weasel words”. So I stopped doing so as much, and now people accuse me of being too certain or using a broad brush. You just can’t win sometimes…
Yeah but you went much further than this. You said: “Regular nice guys can get women just fine”. It’s just not true; it’s akin to saying “People who work hard don’t have money troubles”. And the observation that girls you know date nice guys doesn’t refute that.
I mentioned the luck thing because I see that very often.
That guys who are in an environment where they rarely meet women, struggle, unless they’re very experienced already (and sure, you can go salsa dancing, say, but it’s not the same as meeting women through mutual friends, or at work).
A nice guy who is shy or a bore (for example) will have social problems, but probably fewer than a shy or boring jerk. Being nice is not a blocker to meeting women or getting ahead at work, in my opinion. On the contrary, I’ve known some sought-after guys who were genuinely considerate people. That’s pretty much my definition of “nice guy”; he’s considerate of others.
There are some women and some jobs with whom and where being considerate would be a handicap, I guess.
I take it as a compliment when somebody describes me as a nice guy. I’d have reservations if I found out somebody was describing me as “a nice enough guy” because when somebody is described like that, it’s usually followed with a flaw. “He’s a nice enough guy, but scatter-brained,” or “he’s a nice enough guy but you can’t trust him with women,” etc.
This topic seems to come around every few months. Its pretty simple. If you are shy, boring, passive, whiney,clingy, creepy or constantly complain, that’s not attractive. The fact that you may be superficially polite doesn’t make up for that.
The other thing I are you nice guys going after nice girls? Or are you interested in the hot bimbos? Because if you aren’t good looking, don’t like to drink and do drugs and party till 4am, you might not have much in common
A nice guy: Some meek dude lacking in confidence and overall sexual appeal.
There’s a whole Wiki page about it, which I found pretty funny.
Herold and Milhausen (1998) asked a sample of undergraduate women “You meet two men. One, John, is nice but somewhat shy. He has not had any sexual experience. The other, Mike, is attractive, a lot of fun, and has had intercourse with ten women. Both wish to date you. Whom do you choose?” 54% reported a preference for “John,” 18% preferred “Mike,” and the rest had no preference.
Also, I understand this thread better. Zsofia was using a feminist definition of nice guy, which is just jerk spelled differently.
Oh, and it looks like nice guys really might not do as well as jerks in terms of income. Maybe. Seems like all the research is inconclusive. It’s important to note, though, that they don’t finish last. No, that would be women. Women finish last.
I doubt they were being honest.
Well, I was more talking about the fact that these nice men my relatives date don’t seem to have a problem finding women, it’s not like my relatives are some awesome exception to them. Of course, plenty of men–jerks or nice–have a problem finding women for other reasons.
I totally get why a decent-but-annoying (or whatever his flaw) man would see assholes getting women and become bitter, and I’m not going to pretend there aren’t a significant number of women who do like assholes like some people here are, but from what I can see, a nice, decent-looking, interesting-enough guy does okay.