are we still doing this?
Not everyone who voted for Trump is sexist/racist/homophobic, however, everyone that voted for Trump is ok with being on the same team as those who are sexist/racist/homophobic. Almost everyone that falls into these groups became aligned on the Trump side, such as the KKK and white nationalist groups, so if you stayed on that side in light of this, then you gave your tacit acceptance of these things. We are judged by the company we keep.
Sorry if this is an uncomfortable fact for Trump supporters, but we all made our choices, now we live with the consequences.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Trot-out-your-random-hate-for-Hillary thread and your “I told you so’s.”
I’m seriously wondering about revisionist history here, though. I was a full-on supporter of Hillary (still am, actually), but you have to have been completely clueless to claim that her flaws even began to approach the Orange Orangutan’s. (Btw, blaming her for strategic decisions made by her campaign staff is almost equally as clueless. Yep, she hired them. And people, you know, actually make mistakes. Doesn’t mean they, or she, are the antichrist, regardless of ideologically- and ethically-stunted conservatives.)
For every one of you who voted for Trump or anyone else but Hillary, hope you enjoy the bed you made. It’s just too bad we all have to lie in it because of your selfishness. Oh, and don’t mind the sound of liberties and truth being destroyed daily…you’ll get used to it.
That’s not the point. the point is that the people who are like that aren’t going to change and would have voted (R) (or at least not voted (D)) no matter what. So what does sitting there repeatedly muttering “sexist, racist homophobes” accomplish other than a bit of recreational outrage? Nothing. How does it help the Democratic Party get its act together? It doesn’t. it certainly does nothing to change the minds of the people who voted for Gilded Bag of Flour after having voted (D) previously. a number of union people voted for him due to the hope his policies might stop or slow job losses. And if you want to just sit there and hit them over the heads about how they’re “comfortable with racism/sexism/homophobia” you’re going to completely turn them off to your message and they’ll probably dig in harder against you.
To listen to some conservatives, 2016 must have been the first election in history when a politician was confident of victory, but ended up losing. Hillary really is a trailblazer!
Do you know how many horrible things I’ve heard said about liberals over the last 8 years? How many times I’ve been told that I hate America? It’s amazing how fast some people are able to shake the etch-a-sketch of their minds and somehow think that political insults and criticism just started this last year. Boggles the mind.
So all of a sudden we should be careful about people’s feelings and not call things out for what they are just because its conservatives that are being criticized this time? No thanks.
Ignoring sexism/racism/homophobia won’t make them go away, but it will enable those that enable it to not feel guilty about it. I don’t think that’s healthy for the future of our society.
Well, they did vote for the person with worse policies if job growth was their concern. so, what are you going to do? The Democratic Party generally has its act together. Certainly more than the Republicans.
is this supposed to be a response to me? Because it seems only tangentially relevant at best.
strawman or tu quoque. take your pick. nobody’s talking about “hurt feelings.” The point is there are reasons some people (who aren’t Klansmen, /redpill-ers, etc.) voted for Mutant Carrot, and you’re ignoring that just so you can have a bit of self-congratulatory “at least I’m better than them” outrage. The Democrats ran a presidential campaign which was little more than “hey, at least we’re not him!!” and that never works.
Yeah, because trying to shame people over that totally kept Boiled Ham in a Wig from being elected, didn’t it?
Did you read that she voted FOR the Iraq war, not against it? There really isn’t any nuance there. When the chips were down, she said ‘go for it’. Hedging her bets with speeches is meaningless when she wasn’t willing to back up flowery language with the actual power that she wielded by voting against that disaster.
I’m not doing tu quoque or strawman or any other logical fallacy, but nice try to halt the conversation by throwing those terms at me like simply using them wins you debate points or something. I’m simply wondering why now, all of a sudden, there is so much concern over language usage and word choice used to criticize political opponents when I heard none of this advice directed to Obama critics the last 8 years.
You’re talking about hurt feelings when you say that we should stop using the words sexist, racist and homophobic because then Trump voters will tune us out or dig in deeper. I’m saying that refusing to call out these things is a far worse idea for our country in the long run.
Shorter ITR champion: Democrats suck, Republicans are awesome. To prove my point, here are some cherry-picked citations that aren’t quite what they appear to be. No, I won’t come back to this thread and defend them. Carry on!
The line of “well, Trump’s also legally qualified” is pretty ridiculous since anyone on a hiring committee for a “regular” job would not seriously discuss a candidate’s qualifications with “well, Ms X graduated at the top of her med school class, and Ms Y graduated last: since they both have their MDs and thus are legally able to be “doctors”, I can’t really decide which one is better qualified!”
Yes, of course it was all Hillary’s fault. Nevermind the other 76 Senators and 297 Representatives who also voted Yes, or Bush and Cheney for putting it up based on lies in the first place, or her statement on the vote, or nuance, or anything else. SHE did it!
Give me a fuckin’ break.
For those keeping score, Republicans collectively voted 263-7 for the Iraq Resolution. Yep, it was that dastardly Hillary.
Seriously, you couldn’t dig them out with a tractor. Feel free to say whatever you like, especially when it’s true. You can use all the honeyed words you like, if you don’t come out in absolute agreement with them it will make no difference whatsoever.
And, like it or not, Trumpers, you can hem, haw, and rationalize all you like, if you voted for him, you voted for racism and misogyny, and you were either totally reality-challenged or lived under a rock during the campaign if you didn’t know it at the time.
Um, the poll that you linked to shows that Clinton’s favorability was +39 among Democrats. How does that prove the statement “factually false”?
Because what you claimed was that Democrats “simply assumed that their candidate would coast easily to victory because they were blind to her massive flaws.”
But what the article shows is that Clinton actually had a much lower favorability rating among Democrats than Sanders did.
Therefore, it is clear that Democrats on the whole were not actually “blind to her flaws”, and your claim is factually false.
That’s ridiculous.
And if all you do is sit there and keep banging that drum, we’re just going to still be here in 2020 bitching about the same shit.
god damn. you just can’t wrap your heads around the idea that the Obama voters Sentient Cheese Curd flipped might actually care more about having a job in a few years than the notion of racism or misogyny that they’ve probably never experienced or witnessed. you cannot expect everyone else to care equally about all the same things you do all the time.
Christ. complaining about “voting for racism and misogyny” is like… I don’t know… your doctor told you you have untreatable pancreatic cancer, yet you’re obsessed over having him fix your hangnail. you’re trying to solve the wrong problem.
Ask yourself why Obama won in 2008. I’ll answer it for you- he was a new face, with a powerful, uplifting message.
Contrast to Clinton in 2016. already had a failed primary campaign, and people who lose primaries generally don’t succeed in later elections (see John McCain, Mitt Romney.)
Nominating losers never works.
Very simple. Those who actually have consciences will have to examine them, especially after the four-year shitstorm that’s guaranteed to come down. The rest are irretrievable anyway. I’m not going to stop saying it. And, btw, it absolutely is the problem. Sorry if it’s an inconvenient truth, but truth it remains.
Spare me the jobs bullshit. Trump isn’t going to stop businesses hemorrhaging jobs outside the country. Even that idiot must understand about the bottom line, and anything punitive he tries will only hurt the consumer in the end, as usual. He’ll make lots of noise about how he saved 300 jobs here and a thousand jobs there (which, in most cases, is the incomplete truth at best, if not complete fabrication). The fact is he’ll have little or nothing to do with jobs being gained or lost, but he’ll continue to bloviate about how he saved them.
Hillary doesn’t enter into it, except that we’d have had a normal democracy instead of a neotyranny. The election is done, nothing past can be changed (unless, of course, you’re Trump and mouthpieces trying to rewrite history).
it isn’t “bullshit.” that you think it is tells all.