Roll that around in your head for a moment. According to people in the USA, an accomplished and generally successful secretary of state, senator, and first lady, whose main negatives involve an email server nobody should have ever cared about and a handful of insane conspiracy theories, is somehow less popular than a sitting president currently under investigation for obstruction of justice because he fired the person investigating links between his campaign and Russia during the election.
The United States of America: nuke it from orbit. :mad:
It’s fascinating and horrifying to see how the demonization of Hillary Clinton has reached levels that defy logical explanation. For any rational person who lives in the fact-based world, there is simply no way to explain this. No way to compare Hillary’s occasional dissembling to a sitting president who wages war on the concept of truth itself. No way to explain how someone who was actually proposing more investment in renewable energy is less popular than someone who is unapologetically going to kill hundreds of thousands, if not millions, with his environmental policies. No way to explain how someone who might have supported American involvement in conflicts that were unwise yet supported by the general population at one point compares to someone who repeatedly makes reckless comments and neutered American diplomatic channels.
This is clearly sexism, and I suspect that it’s not just sexism coming from rural white men waving the confederate flag. There is a lot of sexism from urbane “progressives” who drink craft beer and buy organic produce at Whole Foods. The radical right has hated Hillary for years for reasons we already understand, but now the radical left hates her as well because they believe she’s an apostate witch who betrayed progressive values. It also goes to show that centrism and pragmatism in this country are endangered species. Hillary’s inexplicable unpopularity is more a reflection of a tribal, uncompromising society that believes that anyone not in its tribe is an evil sonofabitch, or just an evil bitch.
But she had that Ben Gazzi guy killed to cover up her deleting 33,000 E-mails documenting the enriched uranium she gave to the Russians in return for ‘donations’ to the Clinton Foundation. I mean, who wouldn’t hate her for all that?
Well, I did find her voice kind of annoying, but it’s not like I’ve heard much of it since the election, so yeah, I’m baffled.
Of course she’s unpopular. Republicans hate her, and Democrats are disappointed that she lost a winnable election. In the months that have followed, she hasn’t taken responsibility for the loss, but rather blamed external forces instead. Even if she’s partially correct, nobody likes a sore loser.
I voted for her, but I have a bad case of Clinton fatigue. No mas.
I agree wholeheartedly that Hillary Clinton bears much of the blame for her own defeat. But the Democratic party and progressives as a whole need a reality check of their own – they have the same basic problem, which is an inability to relate to anyone other than those in their immediate socioeconomic and people of like-mindedness when it comes to politics. I think a lot of people on the left fail to realize how much of the vote was a rejection of liberalism as opposed to neo-liberalism. Wake up, progressives. It’s quickly approaching the better part of a year since Trump won the election and the progressives have no real identifiable candidate who stands out as a prospect for 2020 or even a watchable convention speaker in 2018. And if you think it’s Bernie, well, think again. Sanders is a cult candidate. He’s like a Twitter or Snap IPO. Everyone is excited about him now, but he’ll fade if he’s ever in a position where he has to deliver on a bigger stage. He was never able to expand beyond a base of baristas, craft beer drinkers, and farm-to-table connoisseurs. And he ain’t gonna…
Oh, I definitely have Clinton fatigue fatigue. She’s never bothered me. The overwhelming number of articles, blogposts, talking heads and opinion pieces concern trolling Clinton is what wore me down.
I am looking forward to the end of the Trump administration as much as anybody on this board is. I would prefer right now to take a break for a while before contemplating who’s gonna run.
Sometimes I yearn for a parliamentary system where it’s – what – six weeks from calling an election to holding it?
Until Democrats understand, not why this is true, but that it is true, they will continue to lose elections. Including, quite possibly, elections in 2020.
One of the things that has shocked me in the past year is the denial of sexism by seemingly all sides. The “Lock her up”, “Trump that bitch”, the criticisms of everything from her voice to her “stamina” and the countless bullshit conspiracy theories accusing her of horrible things were all blatant examples of sexism. No other candidate in history has had to deal with this level of vitriol.
But it wasn’t sexism.:rolleyes:
I was reading these boards during the campaign and after the election and most people, even here seemed to think that if sexism played a roll at all, it was negligible. And apparently some still believe that.
It really is disheartening to see that something I felt personally and thought was ridiculously obvious is downplayed and dismissed by so many, so easily.
Hillary? Surely you meant to say Trump. Because I have never seen a level of demonization like the libs have unleashed on him. It is, quite seriously, like watching a cyst being drained, but it never stops.
Yes, the Democrats lost the election - but they won the popular vote. More people voted for Hillary Clinton than voted for Donald Trump. And that’s part of a general pattern - the Democratic candidate got more votes than the Republican candidate in six of the last seven presidential elections. So claiming the Democratic party is out of touch is clearly wrong. People are voting for the Democrats.
What needs to be done now is restoring democracy to our election system. We need to focus on two simple principles:
Everyone who is legally eligible to vote should be able to vote.
It may be horrifying but the logical explanation is easy.
Donald Trump is a terrible person and he’s doing a terrible job. It would be hopeless to try to defend his character or his job performance. His supporters can’t make Trump look good. So they’re trying to make everyone else look bad. They’re trying to lower our standards so far down that Trump can crawl over them.