Thinking about it, some native Americans may lose their peyote but I figure being a Muslim would be protected as much as being a Communist. No?
See the national disgrace known as the Smith Act Trials.
Also one can always easily ban Communists from coming into the country. A bit more difficult from banning Muslims from coming in the country (regardless what Trump thinks).
And this is the key point for me. I would like to retain protections for American citizens to be able to subscribe to whatever nutty notions they like (with certain corner case exceptions of course), while making it just as easy to bar a non-citizen from entering the country on the basis of religious ideology as on the basis of political ideology.
Well, that’s supremely un-American, so I doubt it will happen. Besides–the latest mass killer was born in the USA.
But his parents were not born in the U.S.: they came here in adulthood. His father, who has now been added to the “no fly list”, put a video on Facebook *after *the shooting in which he said “God himself will punish those involved in homosexuality.”
There are Christians who say the same thing.
I think he’s just pissed to find out he had a gay son.
Sure. And we should avoid importing those too (like from Uganda). But you’re going to be hard pressed to make your false equivalency stick overall in the face of those poll numbers finding an average of 1% in all those Muslim countries (and even among British Muslims) agreeing that homosexuality is morally acceptable.
It’s looking more likely that he didn’t, per NPR:
Could you clarify the relevance of his parents’ status, please? And maybe re-read US vs. Wong Kim Ark?
Signed, the son of an adult who immigrated to the United States.
I’m not saying he wasn’t a citizen or that such rights should be stripped from anyone. I’m saying he never would have been born here if his parents had not been admitted. And maybe my youngest kids, when they are my age, will not live in a country with other American citizens like him who will be born here in the 2020s if we admit their parents now.
An ounce of prevention and all that.
ETA: I’m also saying, leave aside the extreme acts like this killing. I don’t want people like his dad in the country, voting and contributing to the culture. Our homegrown bigots, we are stuck with. We don’t need to import a surplus supply.
I don’t buy that shit. He spent time at the club. Just because he never hooked up with anybody doesn’t make him straight. There are millions of gay people who have never had gay sex … or any sex for that matter.
He was cruising Grinder. For what? Research? The fucker was closeted and he let his little “yeehaw Isis” bullshit give him a nice tidy excuse for taking out all those *fags *that he could never have because it was all too shameful for him.
That’s the view from the cheap seats.
Who are you refuting??
The FBI and Orlando police, I guess.
But wait: isn’t this the same FBI everyone’s trusting to figure out who the refugees are? :dubious:
SlackerInc
Well, the FBI and Orlando Police, via SlackerInc’s interpretaion, via, Temple-Ralston, via Shapiro, via NPR, which said nothing at all about whether the shooter was gay or not. The circumstantial evidence sure points that he was.
SlackerInc’s “interpretation” is a pretty straightforward one. I mean hiw else would you interpret “they haven’t ruled out that both of these things were just part of his attack plan, basically his attempt to case a possible target. And that’s where the evidence has led them so far, anyway.”? It’s still an open question though obviously.
Exactly. Basically, Shapiro (who is gay BTW) asked about that theory, and Temple-Raston, who is reporting from Orlando and has been talking to investigators, say what they have learned so far has led them to discount the likelihood of that theory, but not rule it out altogether.
Shapiro also interviewed a professor of psychology at UC-Davis a couple days ago about this more general tendency to speculate this way from the peanut gallery:
Neither have they ruled out that it was just a place he went to spot beefcake … until he snapped. Not to mention, both interpretations could be true.
He hung out at the place often. Then his frustrations bubbled over and he made a plan … now to just go back my favorite watering hole and scope out my sight lines … or whatever.
Regardless. I do realize that I’m wildly speculating … and there is really no way we can state one way or another who this asshole liked jerking off to. He’s dead. We can’t really ask him any more.