It’s a Republican bill, and even Republicans won’t support it.
ObamaCare was a Democratic bill, and even Democrats wouldn’t support it. What conclusion(s) should we draw from these tidbits of information? That neither party marches in perfect lockstep 100% of the time? I agree. Something else?
ObamaCare passed. The Republican funding bill didn’t.
Does that mechanism involve reading the dicta in U.S. Term Limits, Inc. v. Thornton, 514 U.S. 779(1995) and the reasoning of Comittee to Recall Menendez v. Wells, 7 A. 3d 720 (NJ 2010) and then saying, “Shit, that fuckin’ tanks our recall plans?”
I don’t know-I’m not a fucking lawyer.
You only realized this after answering HurricaneDitka’s question, did you? Lucky I was here to remind you, and I’m sure that now that you’re reminded, you’ll guide your future responses accordingly.
Maybe you could, I dunno, explain it for us non-lawyerly folk.
As one of the non-lawyerly folk, I took it to mean that Oregon’s recall mechanism might be better-suited as toilet paper than valid law, but I’m in for one of Bricker’s always-delightful explanations too.
But then that begs the question of whether it’s in their interests to stay, since they would be separated from their parents when they get sent back.
Let me start over: they were 15 years old or younger when they entered this country. Today they average 25 years old today. And since DACA has mostly to do with work permits (generally speaking) I’m just not clear that there are a lot of minors who are enrolled in DACA. I don’t know how DACA deals with minors whose parents may be expelled, but I agree that the children can’t just be left in the US to fend for themselves.
Poor stupid me, all I did was go to the official site for Oregon.gov and give the same answer they gave. :rolleyes:
Who’s in charge of checking to see what happens to the Dreamers when they get where we are sending them? Anyone? Anyone giving it any thought? What preparations are being made to help them? Ever hear of MS-13? No, they’re not the scary motherfuckers, they’re the ones the scary motherfuckes are afraid of. We’re planning on sending them a fresh basket of victims, with a ribbon.
Lot of us are experienced and savvy people. But how many of us could be dumped onto El Salvador or Guatemala, penniless, unwelcome…and cope? What sort of crime would have to commit to deserve such stern retribution?
Legal or illegal, this is not justice. This is cruelty. Its not even vengeance, we are not injured. Deport bad hombres? Sure. Deport a barista going to community college? To prevent them from diving into a career of plunder and mayhem?
Mercy for the helpless and harmless. Is that so hard to grasp?
Apparently, yes.
Kind of like how The King Of The Jungle preys on the sick, the lame, the old and those too young to fight back.
Look out. The last guy who suggested that was nailed to a cross. Republicans hate what that guy stood for.
But they love trying to force other people to follow his book.
[del]Sharia[/del] Christian law, anyone?
Presumably that would be the responsibility of the governments whose citizens they are, although I suspect we’ll never see them deported en masse, so it won’t be an issue.
We’re talking about people who weren’t old enough to consent to the decisions their parents or guardians made for them. Even if they were cognizant that they were breaking the law, they were probably led to that decision by adults who were in some way responsible for their guidance and care. In one sense, the Dreamers are like refugees. People who ended up in the United States by chance and circumstance. This country has a history of accepting and embracing such people over generations.
It’s clear, however, that the Republicans have embraced a different history, waxing nostalgic for some of the darker chapters in our country’s history when America mostly excluded non-European immigrants.
Speaking of the work permits, how have these DACA folks worked from when they turned 18 until DACA was implemented, without breaking any existing laws?
The idea isn’t really to deport them. It’s to push them into under the table jobs where they don’t pay taxes. Remember, Repubicans hate taxes. It’s ridiculous, and also too sad to to put a emoticon on this.
And yet it just wasn’t a priority from 2007 to 2010, when they could have passed the DREAM Act anytime they wanted to and have it signed by the President.
They wanted the issue instead, and now real people are paying for it. Actually, real people paid for it all during the Obama years too, but that was less bad because Obama. He didn’t enjoy it, it was just political strategy, so that makes it less of a sin.