Not fighting here… how is it not about immigration? Who else is hired by the day* ?
*'cept for guys On The Waterfront…
Cuz all you right-wing-supply-side-trickle-down guys are right… :rolleyes:
Well, for the purposes of this thread and this issue, I don’t care one lick about immigration. I’ve got a retaining wall that needs built and I want to hire some guys to help me. (Talking like my dad here, I don’t really have any work that needs done)
If it is the goal of the local government to get rid of illegal immigrants, so be it, but why penalize the guy who just wants to exchange money for services rendered? Illegal immigrants are already illegal, so if it the will of the government, use existing laws to get rid of them, don’t take it out on the guy that wants to get some drywall hung. As an economist, I don’t much cotton to a proposal to criminalize a very efficient exchange, an exchange that is the very foundation of the modern economy.
No. Because Airman Doors made a valid point, which you acknowledged, but you decided to keep slappin’ your broad brush around any way.
No. Because you then attack him with a few other broad brushes from your might arsenal.
No. Because out of the blue and for no reason you introduce terrorism into this thread.
No. Because you make the dumbfuck argument that just because an illegal hasn’t stolen “your” job, that them taking jobs is therefore not a problem. (Boy, I’ve never been raped, so it’s relieveiing to know that rape is not a problem. Whew!)
Keep posting, I’m sure you’ll provide additional evidence of your acuity. (Unbeknownst to yourself, at that.)
COOL use of the word… 
Is my point, tho I haven’t really made it… these “illegals” do jobs that we’all don’t want to do. Day laborers in construction, picking apples (around here…) /strawberries/tomatos/watermelons/ANYTHING. What the fuck ever. Nobody is losing jobs because some “Mez-can” is taking it from them. And if said “illegal” HAS some skills? Then I say all the power to him (or her)! If some slob Murkin can’t keep up, then fuck him! Let an immigrant take his job. Amerka is all the stronger!
So, you’re of the opinion that America is stronger when people break its laws. Very interesting ideas of America and “stronger” you have there. And nothing makes America stronger than the fairness of those who try to come here legally having to wait patiently for years while those with no respect for our laws or our sovereignity just decide to sneak in or overstay their visas because they feel like it.
Keep your brillaint posts comin’, bub. You’re an enlightening fellow.
Very very many non-illegals work day labor here in the US. Hundreds of cities have what we call the “labor pool” or “day labor”. You show up at 5 or 6 in the morning, fill out some cursory forms and get sent to a jobsite. You work, go back to the office and get a check at the end of the day. In many places, they will cash your check for you when you get back.
I have done it myself many years ago, and often contractors in a bind will use these agencies, and believe me, there are plenty of down on their luck “white boys” out there working.
if6was9,
Your posting above is little more (well, nothing more, actually) than utter nonsense. Let me explain.
Actually, that’s pretty much what it is. The simple fact of the matter is that a group of non-citizens is composed of those who have entered the country illegally. Airman Doors, USAF adequately explained what he was addressing.
Perhaps you’re doing things that are minor offenses, such as speeding 1 mph over the limit or jaywalking when there are no cars oncoming. Illegally entering the country and obtaining false documentation to skirt the hiring laws really don’t strike me as of the same caliber as the jaywalking does.
Now, you may disagree with the laws themselves and feel that there should be a major revision of them; however, that, in no way lessens Airman Doors, USAF’s point.
I suspect you don’t have a clue as to what kind of training the Air Force, or any other branch of the Armed Forces, provides its members. To call it “brainwashing” is, of course, quite convenient for you but, in reality, it merely shows your own bigotry.
Where did he “spew” anything?
I, also, have been in the position, more than once, of having to find employment in such a manner. In my case, I went through a temps agency. It didn’t pay that much, it certainly wasn’t my career of choice, and it kept me from being homeless.
Exactly, Monty. I think of the labor pool as sort of a temp agency for blue-collar/laborer type stuff. As opposed to office type temping. I did everything from unloading trucks to mopping floors to cleaning up jobsites.
And thirty or forty (back then) bucks a day is damn well better than nothing.
The problem is they’re breaking the law
They might be nice people, kind to puppies and children, hard-working capitalists, and a veritable saint – but by being here illegally they are still criminal. It’s not about whether or not they have or haven’t taken my job or your job or someone else’s job (usually), it’s that they aren’t legally in this country and have no business being in this country.
Yes, illegal aliens ARE criminals. They have broken the law. And I won’t call them “immigrants”.
I worked for 10 years as a day-to-day temporary worker, including factory work.
Born here, raised here, unquestionably a white girl.
Perhaps you are the bigot for assuming only immigrants and illegals do that sort of work? Or that people who do that sort of work aren’t law-abiding citizens?
Babysitter, housepainters, any of a thousand odd jobs done by teens and young adults. Or… you know, some of these are legal workers, that just don’t have education.
IMO the problem with illegal immigration is similar to the “War on Drugs”. The government tends to focus on supply and not demand. So to me it does make some sense to focus on the people who hire illegals. It’s still going to happen, but if you add costs and penalties to the cheap labor market it might make it cost effective to hire legal labor. There is someone out there who will build T_Square’s wall and clean his house, cut his grass and clean his pool, legally, but it is more expensive. It’s often because those businesses pay their taxes and pay their employees a living wage.
An economically simple solution would be to let anyone in and charge whatever the market will bear. The problem with this is that there are huge economic costs associated with just throwing the doors open to everyone, in terms of education, law enforcement, etc., that the rest of society must shoulder just so you can get your retaining wall built cheaply. I just don’t see a simple solution to this.
If this law is equally applied then what you say is true. But I deeply suspect that the people stopped and questioned under this law will all be of Central American/East Asian descent. Will you or I ever be stopped under suspicion of illegal immigration? Has anyone ever asked for your documents on the street in the USA? Asked for anything more than your driver’s license and registration at a routine traffic stop?
I ask this because I once was at lunch at a Thai restaurant in downtown Cincinnati. There was an INS raid (we found out when our food didn’t come) and they took the entire kitchen crew in. They were all “legal”, but no one was carrying anything that could prove that on the spot. I seriously doubt that crap gets pulled on a pizza place these days, since it’s not the Italians that are the problem.
That said, the reason law enforcement focuses on these groups is because they constitute the lion’s share of illegal immigration, mainly because of proximity and economic need. The problem comes when we, as a society, start to see all people that speak with a hispanic accent or have darker skin as being part of the problem. And while you or I may be above this, if you spend anytime speaking with “regular folks” you’ll see that they often don’t differentiate. This is where some other people see this as a problem of bigotry, because it certainly becomes so. I’d venture a guess that some extremist racial purity sites make a big deal of this.
How about the young woman, born and bred right here in western Maryland, who comes in twice a week to help out with household chores, for $50.00 a week? The 65 year old retired guy (retired from a local factory, thanks), who comes in two days a week, for $45.00 a day, to remodel our bathroom? (Once he’s done the bathroom, he’s going to start on the kitchen, thankyouverymuch). Here in western Maryland, there’s all kinds of day labor, because there are lots of people like me and my family who need a little help and have some money to spare, and just as many people who need to pick up a little extra cash.
Anyway, to address the OP, it’s a dumb law. But I don’t think it’ll get anywhere.
Well I know nothing about that person in particular, but It is possible she isn’t looking to screw the illegal imigrants out of racism.
There are a lot of stories around here(I live 50 feet from Aurora) about day laborers being taken advantage of. The they are treated nearly like slaves, not payed what is promised, and often getting hurt in unsafe conditions, then thrown back onto the street. There are a lot of people honestly concerned for them, and it’s possible she is one genuinly trying to help. I don’t know that it’s the right way to go about it, but let’s not jump to conclusions.
Treating workers like that is already illegal. I don’t know if she is trying to help workers or run them out of town and I don’t care.
I’ll jump to one conclusion: The lady is a twit.
I don’t agree. There are all sorts of legitimate restrictions that should be placed on labor. Relevant to this discussion, there should be a class of people - tourists - that are permitted to be legally in the country but not permitted to work.
And, of course, there should be a rule against employing someone to work who is not legally in the country at all.
How is it bigoted to want to enforce the law against illegal immigration?
My dad was born in El Salvador. He had a dream - to come to the United States, and leave behind a country where he had almost zero chance of economic prosperity and social mobility.
And he did it.
LEGALLY.
He had no patience whatsoever for the people that did it by breaking the law. And I agree with him.
The thing is, a lot of people say they’re against illegal immigrants, but if you listen further, they trot out arguments against things like Spanish-language radio and television, or various other things that have to do with the language or culture of immigrants and have nothing to do with their legal or illegal status. It’s kind of like people who say they’re against something Israel is doing, but eventually it comes out that they’re against Israel or Jews in general, or people who say they’re against crime in black communities, but are using that as a smokescreen for their disapproval of some aspect of black culture. It’s the kind of statement that has, unfortunately, been used by enough bigots that it has to be carefully qualified if it’s going to be used by a non-bigot.