[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
The great majority, yes, because they are right wing. That’s the kind of people right wingers ARE; thugs.
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What percent of the country do you consider right wing?
DNFTLunaticIdiotAsshole
[QUOTE=Alessan]
I think this is one of those rare case in which Der Trihs is sort of right.
Historically speaking, all totalitarian governments come to power with the (explicit or implicit) consent of a large portion, if not a majority of their populace. If a right- wing totalitarian regime - like a fascist one - were to seize control of the U.S, odds are that gun owners (who skew right) would support it, at least initially. If said government is smart, it’ll distract its supporters by directing their aggression against other enemies, external or internal.
Again, this is totalitarian SOP. It usually works, too.
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:rolleyes: Because gun owners are a monolithic voting bloc.
God, read some Lew Rockwell and shut the fuck up.
[QUOTE=Steve MB]
I had no idea that the Weather Underground was a right-wing organization. :rolleyes:
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No, but they are long, long gone. The modern left is barely alive, much less shooting people.
[QUOTE=muttrox]
What percent of the country do you consider right wing?
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“A lot.” How would I get a percentage for something like that ?
[QUOTE=Steve MB]
I had no idea that the Weather Underground was a right-wing organization. :rolleyes:
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Oh man, terrible example. They blew up a fucking toilet after they called to get the building evacuated. Why do people insist on referencing the Weather Underground?
If one wanted to point to politically motivated violence they’d look at the racially motivated Gang Wars in LA where ‘La Raza’ Mexican Gangsters are pushing out Blacks.
[QUOTE=mswas]
:rolleyes: Because gun owners are a monolithic voting bloc.
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Totalitarian regimes survive by breaking their populace into groups and then setting these groups against each other. If I were an American dictator, the first thing I’d do is pander to gun-owners, to make sure they were on my side. The best way to control someone is to make him your ally.
Actually, that’s a pretty good reason to own a gun.
[QUOTE=mswas]
God, read some Lew Rockwell and shut the fuck up.
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Never heard of him.
[QUOTE=Steve MB]
I had no idea that the Weather Underground was a right-wing organization. :rolleyes:
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Better yet, what about the Earth Liberation Front. I bet you find their members at RNC meetings wearing Reagan T-shirts. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Projammer]
Here.
In a word, bullshit.
Even though it was in a pit thread, that drek is worthy of your very own pitting.
I personally am a gun owner and I don’t give a tinker’s damn what your sexual/religious/political beliefs are and I’m certainly not going to go looking for you to use for target practice because of them. Nor would any of my many gun owning friends.
What’s next? The Catholics are just waiting for an excuse to bring back the crusades to convert the heathens?
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You should’ve handled it in the other thread with seven simple words:
“Shut the fuck up, you fucking troll.”
All Klansmen/Christian Patriots/assorted other white supremacists are (socially) right wing.
All social right wingers are not Klansmen/Christian Patriots/assorted other white supremacists.
Us lefties aren’t all vegetarian pot smokin’ homo lovin’ fur bannin’ tree huggin’ gun takin’ pinkos, DT. What makes you think the other side is any more homogenous?
[QUOTE=Alessan]
Totalitarian regimes survive by breaking their populace into groups and then setting these groups against each other. If I were an American dictator, the first thing I’d do is pander to gun-owners, to make sure they were on my side. The best way to control someone is to make him your ally.
Actually, that’s a pretty good reason to own a gun.
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A lot of people own guns and a lot of them can’t stand the current administration, even though they are generally right wing.
Lewrockwell.com is the big Libertarian website. They can’t stand the current admin and it’s likely their readership has a high incidence of gun ownership. You should read some more Pat Buchanan also. The Libertarians and Paleoconservatives do not march in lockstep with the Neocons.
If there were ever going to be an armed revolt in this country I think you’d see a very strange mix of Black Block Anarchists, Redneck Survivalists and Southern Evangelicals leading the charge.
Pansies like Der Trihs would be cowering behind his empty rhetoric, kind of like he does now, only in a more literal sense.
Oh yeah, and there are millions of liberal gun owners.
[QUOTE=Alessan]
Totalitarian regimes survive by breaking their populace into groups and then setting these groups against each other. If I were an American dictator, the first thing I’d do is pander to gun-owners, to make sure they were on my side. The best way to control someone is to make him your ally.
Actually, that’s a pretty good reason to own a gun.
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How exactly would this hypothetical dictator create an “us vs. them” mentality by pandering to gun owners, when what gun owners want (the right to bear arms) lets “them” (non-gun owners) freely join “us” (gun owners)? Wouldn’t you just end up with everyone being a gun owner, getting pandered to by the dictator?
[QUOTE=Askance]
gun rights activists in the US are, I would say unarguably, right-wing (even by US standards) and so more disposed to be anti-<AllThoseThingsHeSaid> than the societal average.
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Bullshit.
Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership
Pink Pistols (Gay Gun Owners)
There are some right-wing gun activists, and the NRA skews to the right, but to paint all gun activists as right-wing is just plain wrong.
Since I am apparantly a right-wing, racist, bigoted asshole, I’d just like to state for the record that I am looking forward to a facist take-over of this country, when I will be free to silence whoever disagrees with me, and wave my assault rifle proudly over my head as I illegally take over property that doesn’t belong to me, and…oh, wait. Those things were all done by the Left. In fact, it was the Left that demanded that the US ignore the civil rights violations committed by the worst dictatorships in history, simply because the countries in question were Communist. “No enemies to the Left.”
Bite me, Trihs.
[QUOTE=Grumman]
How exactly would this hypothetical dictator create an “us vs. them” mentality by pandering to gun owners, when what gun owners want (the right to bear arms) lets “them” (non-gun owners) freely join “us” (gun owners)? Wouldn’t you just end up with everyone being a gun owner, getting pandered to by the dictator?
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I don’t know. Maybe they’ll forbid any new gun owners, while granting privileges to existing gun owners; maybe they’ll find out which areas of the country have higher levels of gun-ownership, and pit them against the others; neither way would be perfect, but they’d give them an edge. Or maybe they’ll just find ways to exploit the differences between the different flavors of gun-owners - after all, history shows us that most armed militias generally spend most of their energy fighting among themselves, and not against their regimes.
Either way, dictatorships are smart. An American dictatorship would be fully aware of American gun culture, and find ways to exploit it in their favor. And even if they didn’t, the sad fact is that any regime, no matter how heinous, will always have its supporters. If, as you claim, gun owners boast a broad variety of political beliefs, many of them will support their totalitarian government. And unlike the opposing side, *they’ll * have a steady supply of ammo.
All I really want to say is to point out that Der Trihs is using awfully violent language for a peaceful left-winger.
I’m a liberal gun owner/activist, and frankly there’s not enough good eatin’ on an abortion doctor for me to want to shoot them. Totally aside from the fact that I’m a mediocre buddhist and therefore have no interest in killing anything I’m not going to eat anyway.
But then again, it’s been long proven that I don’t exist in Der Trihs’ world, since I’m a rational liberal who nonetheless owns guns, tries to support the troops (but not their current actions), and doesn’t particularly care what the hell anyone else believes even though I’m religious/spiritual/whatever.
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
“A lot.” How would I get a percentage for something like that ?
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You said "The great majority, yes, because they are right wing. That’s the kind of people right wingers ARE; thugs."Are you talking about extreme over-the-top right wingers, or any conservative, or anyone who voted for Bush, or what? If you’re claiming this about the most right of the right and calling them thugs, eh, mebbe kinda. If you’re saying that roughly half of the country is thugs then you’re a lunatic.
[QUOTE=Zeriel]
I’m a liberal gun owner/activist, and frankly there’s not enough good eatin’ on an abortion doctor for me to want to shoot them. Totally aside from the fact that I’m a mediocre buddhist and therefore have no interest in killing anything I’m not going to eat anyway.
But then again, it’s been long proven that I don’t exist in Der Trihs’ world, since I’m a rational liberal who nonetheless owns guns, tries to support the troops (but not their current actions), and doesn’t particularly care what the hell anyone else believes even though I’m religious/spiritual/whatever.
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Heh, yeah, gun ownership does have a huge party-line crossover. Yet another unpredicted effect of Bush’s regime is that it has, ironically, seems to have convinced many liberals that private firearms ownership might not be a bad idea after all. It’s no longer a litmus test of any kind–when someone says he or she owns a gun I’m not going to form an idea of what his or her politics are. I’m kind of surprised Der Trihs hasn’t noticed this, but, well, the world does tend to pass you by when you rarely venture out of your parents’ basement.
[QUOTE=dre2xl]
Yet another unpredicted effect of Bush’s regime is that it has, ironically, seems to have convinced many liberals that private firearms ownership might not be a bad idea after all.
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Uh… cite?
[QUOTE=Alessan]
Maybe they’ll forbid any new gun owners, while granting privileges to existing gun owners;
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Throwing out the Second Amendment is your idea of “pandering to gun owners”? What is he going to do to the people he isn’t trying to mollify, eat their firstborn?