Apparently if I ever want to join the anti-circ movement, I need to brush up on my ability to make broad unfounded assumptions about other groups: circumcised men are secretly sad, US doctors are brainwashed by the pro-circ cabal, circumcised men can’t masturbate without a quart of lube, random people from Denmark don’t rant on the internet because they secretly agree with me so much, etc.
Good to know. I’ll file that away with my list of crap websites and pathological need for internet people to admit that I jerk off better than anyone.
Are there hoards of men out there crying themselves to sleep because mommy and daddy had their penis cut?
No. The only people bitching about this are a bunch of busy bodies trying to force their sensibilities on others.
And in this particular case it’s even more laughable because not only are the “victims” NOT emotionally scared from this, they are quite happy with the state of their penis.
What’s next guys? Are you going to White Knight for the ladies out there that like being spanked on the ass during sex? Are you going to tell them they’re victims too and they just don’t know it?
In short: If the “victims” say they are happy that “x” happened to them, then “x” wasn’t all that terrible.
It’s more and more apparent why you guys want to keep this discussion walled off from FGM. Because the reality is that everything you are saying there applies to the victims of FGM as well. The vast majority thinks it’s a good tradition that they want to continue for their own daughters.
(I’m off for the weekend. I’ll check in on Monday.)
It was because the women who were trying to talk about FGM didn’t feel like listening to a bunch of guys with “Actually, male circumcision…” over and over.
Hey, you can’t have it both ways… it’s bad… or it’s good… regardless of gender, both genders are equal and have the same rights.
It’s terrible when they do these shitty mutilations to women’s genitalia - That’s a definitive NO, just don’t do it.
Sure the effects are much worse for women then they are for males, but why would you think that male mutilation is a good thing in turn?
Circumcision was introduced to stop boys from masturbating, because that’s apparently sinful and turned later on into an accepted tradition that has NO benefits.
Besides that, this is a thread about male circumcision.
How many FGM are happening in the USA or the EU? And is anyone really thinking that it’s a good thing?
Only an insane person would think it is!
Ah yes, the “Tug-Ahoy.” I was about to comment on how terrible of name that was for a penile-lengthening device, but then I realized I remembered it as soon as I saw his name again.
But the procedures aren’t equivalent. If there was sufficient argument against circumcision on its own merits, you’d be able to use it instead of desperately trying to pin it to FGM so you can argue that instead.
Who cares? Honestly, you guys cling to this as though it’s meaningful. Whatever the reasons in 1922, here in 2017 we have actual evidence of medical benefits. Seriously, if someone found out that wearing a crown of thorns for a day cured hemorrhoids, you’d be hollering about how, two thousand years ago, it was used to stop self-proclaimed messiahs. Here’s five bucks, go buy a calendar.
Those reasons given are really great… eh, which one? None was given.
No evidence given about anything, you seem to cling to some rigorous bullshit believe, that this the right thing to do and no its not - there just isn’t.
I kind of feel like every person who makes this argument is the biggest fucking moron in the entire world, but there are apparently millions of them and they can’t all be the stupidest person in the world, can they?
It is a completely fucking trivial exercise to determine the relative pleasure someone gets from something. It is done every single fucking day by thousands of companies trying to figure out if New Coke is a good idea or if their new boner pill makes sex unpleasant.
I don’t need to know how YOUR dick feels to judge how MY dick feels, we each judge our own dicks against all the other pleasurable and non-pleasurable experience we all have. If I think porking some chick is a 9/10 experience and you think it’s a 9/10 experience, we’re rating it the same, not based on our prior experience with porking, but based on what other things feel like. Things like eating watermelon, watching kitten videos, or snorting heroin. If your dick feel sooooo much better than mine, then you’d rate it a 10/10, wouldn’t ya? If my dick was a sad, ruined mess of cells that can’t feel anything, I wouldn’t rate sex as high as you, because it wouldn’t be that much better than a ripe nectarine, would it?
So… anti-circs can put up or shut up. Give me the study that shows uncut men like sex more than cut men.
Huh. I didn’t SEE mention of evidence-based medical studies and support from multiple medical boards and organizations but, sure, “same reasons” and all.
The problem is that it’s not something that can be reliably tested. You’d think “Oh, the only ones who would know are men who were circumcised at age 30” or something but that’s still not a reliable measure. If you were circumcised due to a medical ailment, there’s a good chance you’ll find sex better now since you’re no longer suffering from said ailment. If you weren’t, you have the issue that you’re working off of 10-15 years of preconceived ideas of how it “should” feel. Ever get some dental work done and, despite the worked tooth being functionally identical to before, now it just feels weird?
Another big issue is that neonatal circumcision is physiologically different than adult circumcision; healing is much more rapid and complete and the penis hasn’t gone through its puberty development yet. Even the previously linked studies given by the anti-circ advocates stated that there was little/no difference reported between neonatally circumcised men and non- and instead concentrated on men who have had adult procedures. Give that the argument here is actually about neonatal circumcision (“barbarians mutilating baby penises!”), those studies aren’t helpful.
All that aside, the biggest difference of course is that I’ve had sex likely thousands of times by now and each time is different. Quantifying sexual pleasure from day to day is near impossible for a single person, trying to quantify it across hundreds of people based on self-reporting or tickling your dick with a feather is a fool’s errand. And trying to convince someone that their sex is better because “According to this, it takes you 3.1 seconds longer to ejaculate” – who the hell cares? What kind of bizarre sex are you having that you would ever notice or give a shit? This is what you need for self-validation?
I’m not trying to force anything on anyone. I object to the smug condescension of the pro-circ crowd. Can’t speak for anyone else ostensibly on “my side”.
Sure they are. How the fuck would they know what they’ve lost? You can’t mourn what you’ve never known.
If it’s being done in an irreversible manner when they were infants, then I’d also be opposed to “sexy spanking”. What a stupid fucking analogy you chose.
And this statement I’ll just let stand on its own, as an acme of ignorance and arrogance.
It’s not possible for me to determine how much fun YOUR dick has or for you to experience how much fun my dick has or for that matter anyone else’s dick.
Since even with my own dick the experiences can differ, due to various factors.
Now all that said: It’s inconceivable to me as a grown male to even to consider willingly cutting a piece of my dick off…unless it must be done for some medical purpose, which is a totally different story
If you can’t bring yourself to consider cutting off a piece of your dick, why do it to your children?
Now, if you can see yourself going for the knife to give it a slice, thinking it’s a good idea cutting off a piece of your dick, well somethings wrong there and you need medical help.
