Did aliens build the pyramids, and if they did, so what?

It’s certainly true some people might not know who built the pyramids, that they have no idea how they were built, or roughly when. These people tend to be unaware of the facts or, in some cases, afflicted by crackpotism – an hour in the company of a good book is sufficient to cure the former. The latter will probably require a lot more work.

A pyramid is a simple structure that has the advantage of very high stability – obviously, since it has a broad, well-anchored four-sided base, and since the sides of the structure taper in with height, thus distributing the stress of its mass towards the foundations. A pyramid, even a small one, won’t blow over or fall under the onslaught of the strongest wind, and is much less likely to collapse under its own weight than other buildings of comparable mass and technology. A pyramid, if it’s well built, is almost forever. The builders of pyramids all over the world probably understood this quite well – the ancient Egyptians certainly did, since they were building monuments that were meant to last even in the afterlife (an Arabic proverb developed: “Man fears Time, yet Time fears the Pyramids”).

We know that pyramid construction in Egypt was an evolution of architectural skill. Things more or less started with the Mastaba model, which was a cap-like structure that was built on top of an underground tomb excavated from the desert rock (“mastaba” means bench). This concept was later expanded into the step pyramid (the classic example being the famous Saqqara one) by building on top of the original structure, expanding and upgrading as it were. Eventually came the so-called Bent Pyramid, a more advanced structure that is curiously (almost pregnantly) bent probably because its builders realized halfway that it was going to be far too tall to complete with straight sides. Then, finally, after other attempts, came the “real” pyramids (like the ones at Giza) that are most famous today. It took a fair amount of trial and error as well as architectural experimentation to develop a winning design.

The Mastaba was 60m x 60m x 8m – as you can imagine a broad, short, squat structure without the elegant stress distribution of architecture that was to follow (see the links provided above for pictures of early pyramids and precursors). If you remember the Brendan Fraser film “The Mummy”, the name of the bad guy (the mummy) is Imhotep. Imhotep in real life was the man responsible for turning the Mastaba into the first pseudo-pyramid in the world, measuring 120 x 108 x 60m, for king Djoser (or Zhozer). The difference in proportions between the Mastaba and its successor at Saqqara (Djoser’s pyramid was almost eight times higher than the Mastaba) indicates this was a significant architectural achievement, and one that paved the way for the construction of what would remain the tallest building in the world for about 4,500 years (the Great Pyramid of Giza, also known as the pyramid of Khufu, or Cheops).

No aliens are required in the picture, and, indeed, there is NO evidence of any, contrary to the vomit-inducing ignorance propagated by Erick von Daniken and similar idiots. Epimetheus provided a good link above, and on that same site you can also find this information: Who built the pyramids, and how?.

A note on Von Daniken and his band of crackpots: their alien architects theories are usually pulled out whenever an example of non-white primitive achievement is examined. So it was fine for the Greeks and Romans to build all them fine buildings, but if you’re talking about Africans or Injuns suddenly there must be aliens involved to help out. Reminds me of one of Ambrose Bierce’s definitions, though I do not recall the one at present.

Atlantis couldn’t have had anything to do with the Egyptians, since Atlantis is an entirely fictional place mentioned once (or at most twice) by Plato to illustrate a philosophical point in the dialogues Timaeus and Critias. Please, for goodness’ sake, stop it with the Atlantis new age silliness. Atlantis is not even a legend, or at least it was not: it was a didactic and, as far as we know, entirely fictitious tale. There is not a single item of historical or literary evidence about Atlantis apart from the mention provided by Plato. Nothing. Yet a large number of charlatans have written thousands of books on this completely fictitious place, and in so doing have turned it into a modern legend and big business for several bad writers.

Among the primary differences between Egyptian pyramids and those found in the rest of the world is that Egyptian pyramid building evolved towards structures that had smooth outside casings – mostly gone today. The pyramids of South America, on the other hand, tended to be step-pyramids of sorts. The dimensions also varied, with Egyptian pyramids tending towards greater heights, while American pyramids had a broader base. American pyramids were used for a variety of purposes and included stairs, paths, etc., so the focus of the building was very much its exterior. Egyptian pyramids appeared to have only a single purpose and included internal feats of architecture such as ventilation shafts, corridors, rooms, multi-levels, etc. But the fact remains that the pyramid is one of the most efficient large constructions available to primitive man: therefore they occurred (and let’s not forget the Mesopotamian Ziggurat) because they could occur, and not much else could of that size and with limited technology. It’s understandable that each pyramid-building culture would enjoy its own particular developments and techniques.

The idea that the pyramids are made of a concrete-like material is patently ridiculous – this Dr. Joseph Davidovits should be flogged for stupidity and fraud. We know perfectly well that the bulk of stone for Giza was quarried at Aswan. We also know that it’s limestone, and not any kind of fantastical concrete the Egyptians would have magically created. Some mortar was used in the construction of the pyramids, but certainly no syntehtic stone or concrete of any kind. Additionally, I very much doubt he translated anything of any kind suggesting the secret of this magical building substance, more than likely he is simply yet another crank.

Yes it does, I’m a “Fund’ist Protestant” and I think that real, live aliens from another star system would be pretty cool. The night before my wedding my pastor and I watched “Star Trek” :smiley:

Doesn’t change what Jesus did for us, maybe he died for them too (read some C.S. Lewis, he wrote a sci-fi story about that, “Out of the Silent Planet”).

I did not know this was talked about in the Catholic church, any more info on their contingency plan?

No tin-foil hats in my closet.

So anyway. Back to the OP. Even if it could be proved that aliens built the pyramids, I don’t think you could ever prove that aliens built the pyramids.
Ya know what I mean? Just liking proving that Jesus Christ was just a man.
No Christian would ever believe “definitive” proof.

As I said prior, the theories as to the age of the pyramids vary so widely, that sure you can give me LOTS of cites that will say “We conclusively know when they were built.” and all give different ages. I guess it depends on which opinion you support as “fact”.

Erek

I have posted a cite that quotes an Expert, now is when you post a cite that debunks him, posit another theory with a compeling argument supported by evidence or you don’t bother debating. YOUR statements don’t mean anything to me regarding this subject, rather your statements supported by arguments themselves supported by evidence by authority in the field.

The plumbing industry would flourish!

No, mswas, it doesn’t depend on that at all. Rather, it depends on how ignorant one wishes to be. There is, today, no meaningful confusion about the age of the pyramids and certainly not on the order of several thousands of years – as you will find in the Nova links provided. There is, of course, no serious question as to who built the pyramids, but I’m hoping that the alien/Israel/God/Atlantis nonsense in this field is too much even for you.

We have the data that indicates when they were built – and since the pyramids weren’t built all at once we even have timelines showing pyramid building progression. There was a claim, fairly popular at one stage, that the sphinx showed distinct signs of erosion by flowing water, and not by wind and sand. Since the last time that Giza saw abundant flowing water was something like 10,000 years ago, the claim was advanced that this must also be the minimum age of the sphinx/pyramids. Inevitably, the handiwork of ancient Egyptians was then linked to Atlantis and similar foolishness. There is so much wrong with this theory that it’s amazing it was ever taken seriously. For one thing, since there hasn’t been regular torrential rain around Giza for several thousand years, why is it necessary to keep restoring the Sphinx? Why is the “water erosion” from these primordial rains still occurring, given the conspicuous lack of water these last millennia?

Investigations into the process of arid climate salt exfoliation on the rock of the sphinx showed how erosion patterns similar to those of running water form regularly, and sent the 10,000 year claim straight out the window – where it was nursed back to health by the worst of the crackpots. This extreme and unsupportable age (which would put the work of the Egyptian dynasties well into the realm of prehistory!) is as crackpot as a theory can get. It’s clearly false, since not one item of evidence exists in support of it and plenty do to contradict it.

However, there are any number of idiots making money from the gullible on this subject, such as the afore-mentioned von Daniken, Bauval, Hancock and other intellectually leprous colleagues. I wish people had the good sense to avoid taking history and archaeology lessons from delusional ignoramuses who have no support for the wild claims they propagate.

You must be referring to some previously unknown branch of humanity. We have wars in which people amputate non-combatants limbs, a government which attempted to keep SARS true magnitude secret at the expense of it citizens lives, a dictator who supposedly would dump people into a plastic shredder, racism, religious intolerance, etc, etc.

Knocking up a few pyramids while letting people live in filth and poverty doesn’t seem out of the realm of humanity to me, but maybe that’s just the cynic in me.

Point taken.

how about traveling to a neighboring planet while viruses and genocide destroy a continent? That’s pretty alien thinking, huh? The pyramids could simply be monuments to the uparalleled power of human genius when it is forced by megalmaniacal despots into pointless but certainly magnificent avenues of expression. Those periods of human history when the scientific geniuses could escape the grasp of the power mongers have inevitably produced quantum leaps in understanding and mastery of the environment. Other periods produce trains that run on time…

Come on, it would be huge. I mean, just think about what we’d have discovered.

A civilization out there somewhere developed interstellar travel, likely FTL. And they did it all before developing building materials more advanced than rocks.

I’d say that puts us behind the curve.

Your post is very interesting…are you a civil engineer? Anyway, my question is this: in a recent PBS show about the pyramids, there was much debate about how the massibve stone blocks were moved (rollers or sleds, or possibly “shadoof”-style cranes.Why did the ancient builders choose such massive blocks-wouldit have been easier/fasterto build the pyramids out of mush smallerblocks-say the size of modern bricks?
And, I belive that a French archaeologist put forward a quite beliveable thesis that the pryramid blocks were cast out of some kind of sandstone-based concrete-this wouldbe a much faster way of building such a structure-has anybody seriously persued this theory?
I also recall that the LARGEST stone blocks ever used in ancient construct were those employed at the Temple of Jupiter,in Baalbeck,Lebanon-they weighedin at 22TONS! -Amazing what you can dowith human muscle and simple machines!

I am SOOOOO glad I was not drinking anything now!

This is the second thread of mine that has died only to be resurrected months later that I can think of in recent months.

The other one was my “It frightens me that people don’t know these things” in IMHO.

I wonder if it means anything?

Pinkus?

I’m actually wondering though: if there are aliens, where are they? Where are their signals?

I suppose its possible that they are simply using some strange form of communication that we cannot even notice, but I also find it unlikely. Radio signals are cheap and easy to use. Which sort of implies that alien life, should it exist at all, may not be intelligent. Else, presumably someone would ahve started sending out radio signals constantly billions of years ago.

C’est al vie. I suppose I wouldn’t mind too much being all lone in the void.

If for the sake of argument we assume that aliens built the pyramids, I think you should not presume that the pyramis were intended as the result. It might well be a by-product of something else, or not really proper intention.

Big alien kid is playing outside the mothership. "XJSDFKE%^#$&*#, come on in, we’re leaving.’ The kid is yanked by its horn, only justs manages to carry his matter transporter, and has to leave behind all his pretty pyramids. And his daddy tried so hard to keep things clean.

Or maybe it’s just a big dump by a rock-eating giant alien who took a quick snack on the way over to Alpha Centauri.

And then only afterwards humans started to carve tombs and the like into the remains. (since that is the obvious flaw in my ruminations)

It’s intriguing to me how frequently we impose our worldview (universeview?), our “reality” on the possibilities of things beyond our understanding. In other words, though amusing, the suggestion that the pyramids are droppings from some rock-chomping alien could be possible, and noone can rationally say it’s not, I don’t believe. You’re trying to prove a negative, which is nearly impossible, given the circumstances.

Thus, *I say that the pyramids are an indelible declaration of love, left on our planet by a couple of love-struck teenage aliens. For example, much like carving your initials in an old birch tree … with a heart and an arrow and a “'63”. (And MEGA bonus points to whomever can tell me whose song lyrics that last sentence is paraphrased from.)

But seriously, there are fascinating parallels to the stars demonstrated by the pyramids, most specifically the stars of Orion’s belt. I once saw an extremely intriguing Discovery-channel program on the topic … wish I remembered more about it.

If you remember, there was a clown, the CEO of a software company, who said just this. (There was a big article on him in Wired.) He claimed that the technology behind microprocessors came from space aliens through the government. I know lots of people who work on processor designs and new silicon processes, and if they had any spare time to read this drivel, they would indeed be offended.

Just shows it is hard to come up with a scenario of someone being more stupid than people really are.

Actually, the Catholic Church has apparently already made secret contact with the planet Galgamech and done a bit of recruiting there. :slight_smile:

Slightly off topic…didn’t the Sumerians/Babalyoians make similar structures out of mud-bricks that have lasted almost as long? That’s pretty impressive in itself, if not as impressive.