Does anyone want to counter the claims in this youtube video?
Wow! A thread titled Can I break my wrists doing push-ups?, started 7 minutes after this one of mine, has actually had more views!
I’m personally ignorant about the details described in the video (the launches, the claims, the spacecraft, the results), but after listening to just a few minutes of it, it has a “tone” nearly identical to the conspiracy videos for so many other claims like we didn’t go to the moon, there are alien bases on Mars, 9/11 never happened, the holocaust was a fraud, etc.
It seems to concentrate on “anomolies”; a rocket has the wrong mark on it; an image couldn’t be real because the lighting is wrong, voice recordings have a “mistake,” etc. It’s noteworthy that most of the supposed evidence presented isn’t shown clearly enough for me to agree with the voiceover, so I can’t confirm or deny it.
If I were trying to discredit a space event like this, a blip in a JPG image wouldn’t be my primary evidence. I would want records from other space observers saying no such object was ever in orbit at that time, or audio recordings from other tracking stations that contradicted the Chinese claims. Conversely, if other recording stations and observers did track and record the event, all the JPG anomolies in the world don’t mean much.
Russia had a shuttle that flew unmanned 1 time. It only did 2 orbits.
Why would I bother? The claims, such as they are, have no substance whatsoever. After three different viewings I’m not seeing the discrepencies in the markings on the booster save that the video quality from two different cameras is not quite the same. Similarly, the claims made about the curvature of the Earth and color of the atmosphere can be chalked up to dfferences in lens selection, sensor type, sensor qualities, and video compression codecs.
It is clear to anyone in the space launch booster industry that China has the capability to put this size of payload on orbit, and the launch and orbit itself was doultless monitored by a multitude of tracking stations operated by different nations. Although China has much to gain prestige-wise from this, the would also suffer historic humiliation if found to be defrauding the world as described in the video.
As for the claims themselves about the alleged alteration of the videos, they’re a combination of “That’s how clever they are!” and “My thrd grader could do better than that with Final Cut Lite on a G4 Mac!”. That’s the problem with most conspacies; they have to be clever enough to fool the experts, but simultaneously transparent enough to be unravelled by some schlub with a YouTube account and a DRM-free library of incidental film music. Either that, or every aerospace engineer and space scientst is in free world is being paid off by China to look the other way.
Stranger
So how much did you get?
They offered me three bucks and half a pack of Camels, but I told them I don’t smoke and recognized the money as having come from a Milton-Bradley Life game they picked up at a church rummage sale, so I told them to blow. NASA, on the other hand, offers real money to pretend that their space program actually works, so I’m all about that.
Stranger
Since China has not yet claimed to have launched a “space shuttle”, I’m going to have to go with “no”.
So, nothing conclusive then?
Some minor nit-picking by MEBuckner, an “I’m personally ignorant” on the subject by Musicat, and Stranger comes out with the one I was expecting - “it’s on Youtube - how can you take that shit seriously?”
No, more like : “HA-HA!”
Well, that’s not very polite, is it?
Wouldn’t the correct “fighting ignorance” response be to at least watch the video, and then counter any of the claims made, as and when they occur?
Here’s a few to be going on with:
Did China publish accounts of a “space conversation” before it had happened?
Is there any truth to the claim they copied pictures from other sources?
Does China have any “previous” for this sort of thing?
Could any of the footage have been filmed in an underwater environment?
Would clouds “speed up” the way they were seen to do in the clip?
You are aware that Stranger is an actual rocket-type guy, right?
To more fully answer your questions:
- No
- No
- No
- No
- No
If that is all you got from my post you need to check with your occulist.
Stranger
The right wing have an incentive to dismiss the space-faring attempts of other countries as it scares them. Seconding conspiracy theory bullshit.
Aha! So there is a discrepancy in the speed the clouds were moving? Or was that “No” a mistake?
The only ones who have anything to fear about humiliation it seems, are those who pop their head above the parapet to point out contradictions and anomalies.
Ivan, for those of us who can’t watch these things at work could you perhaps list some or all of the specific, factual claims that are made and maybe summarize briefly the evidence that is presented to back them up? I bet there will be plenty of people willing to look at specific claims, as opposed to “Watch this movie and tell me what you think”.
Well, clearly the OP didn’t mean “shuttle”, just spacecraft. And neither the OP nor the video claim that the entire mission was fake, just the space walk - we would know immediately if they claimed to have a spacecraft up when there was none. Hopefully we can get past these points and address the question.
It sure seems like the video shows a pool-based exercise being passed off as a space walk.
On the other hand, this also doesn’t mean that the space walk didn’t happen. It may just be that they didn’t have any good footage of it. Compare this to the “footprints in the sky” deception from the Olympics. The video shown on TV was presented as real footage though it was completely animated - but the fireworks were actually being shot off in real life. The Chinese officials just didn’t know if it could be captured reliably on video in real time, and didn’t want to risk having a blemish on the show.
Wow, talk about patting yourself on the back here.
This is similar to the question on why the soviets didnt deny the US moon landing. It would have humiliated them once the world found out they were lying. A similar thing is at work here.
It looks rather suspicious. Even without the guy explaining why it’s fake.
Been there, done that, wore the t-shirt and shrunk it in the wash! 
Maybe you’ll have better luck getting an authoritative reply…