Did FDR know about the attack on Pearl Harbor beforehand?

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The words “appears for all the world to be” were directed at my debating opponent at the time, and were intended to be sarcastic. I shouldn’t have simply cut and pasted from the old thread, attitude intact, since you guys don’t have all the surrounding background to explain the tone of the post.

Therefore, let me rephrase:

**The following is ** an excerpt from a declassified Top Secret memorandum of hearings conducted back in 1944 on Pearl Harbor.

Insert previously posted text here, starting at “[1] 1. General.” and ending at "the right alert. ", minus “Well fancy that” , it is all from the original document.

As for the source, as I stated and as you can see, it’s the Purdue U’s History dept. Having gone to teh website and poked around, it is quite obvious that this is a RICH source of info to answer the OP’s question, since it is all about it. Quote from Chapter 1:

I think you get the picture. For those who are truly interested, I suggest you follow the link and start at “Army board”.

Stoid

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For the record: The hearings reported on the Purdue site were public hearings conducted in 1945 and 1946.

(There is a later reference to hearings from “On 70 days subsequent to November 15 and prior to and including May 31,
1945, open hearings were conducted” which suggests an earlier date, but all of the other references indicate the fall of 1945 and winter/spring of 1946. My guess is that “May 31, 1945” is a typo intended to be 1946.)

If these public hearings had produced actual proof that FDR had committed treason, what are the odds that that would have been a “non-issue” in the 1948 presidential race? (Or the 1946 congressional races?)

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I have no idea…maybe because he was dead?

Oh, and it says the MEMORANDUM was top secret, not the hearings themselves…

In any case, I don’t really care one way or the other. You guys can duke it out, I just thought I’d provide the info to add to the discussion.
I took it up with Monty last year because he was practically insisting that I made it up out of whole cloth, and that annoyed me.

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Tom & wevets:

Thanks for pointing out the incredible and ridiculous bu…er, horsehockey Stoidela deigned to post, yet again, as fact, although it was, and remains, incredible and ridiculous horsehockey.

At any rate, The History Channel just aired a rather interesting documentary: “Tora, Tora, Tora: the Real Story of Pearl Harbor.” Said documentary related some of what other posters here mentioned (that it was obvious war was imminent) and also that NOBODY KNEW THAT THE COMBINED FLEET WOULD ATTACK PEARL HARBOR. [I mention this only because Stoidela evidently (in the previous thread) got heer “info” from television and movies.]

What the heck, since she brought it up:

  1. If your prior assertion that FDR wanted the US in the war because it was the very definition of a righteous war given the big meanies over in Europe, is true, why didn’t FDR merely point out what was happening in Europe? Please provide the very dates that FDR knew about the camps and what, exactly, was happening there.

  2. Please provide FDR’s rationale for staying out of the righteous war for any time whatsoever after discovering what was happening in Europe.

  3. Please explain why FDR kept the true situation in Europe secret from the American populace when, as you say, he wanted them whipped into a frenzy to support getting into the war.

  4. Please explain why FDR wanted to get folks so whipped up, when he was, according to you, keeping the reason for said frenzy secret from said folks.

  5. Please explain why FDR would even consider being an accomplice in mass murder of his own country-men.

Or, even better,

Recant the crap you keep posting about this issue when it’s demonstrably false.

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Brilliant, Monty! Truly, you have utterly obliterated Stoidy’s case, truly, a premise by premise evisceration, except for one little detail,…

She didn’t say any of that. God, this is the thread that rose from the dead, I definitively nailed this sucker like 6 months ago. But I looked through, just to be sure. You have clearly refuted an argument that, best I can tell, nobody made.

Roosevelt deliberately started WWII to save the Jews from Auschwitz? Ahhh, yes, because his real name was Rosenfeld, and he was acting in concert with the Illuminati, black helicopter, LSD in the water, and furthermore… By golly, you’re right! That is bullshit! But its not her bullshit!

An adjustment in medication may be in order.

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I believe Billy Mitchell forsaw Japans invasion in the 1920s.
Don’t remember the whole story but he was convicted of insubordination and resigned in 1926.

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http://www.thehistorynet.com/AviationHistory/articles/1997/0997_text.htm

Read about it

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Elucidator:

Please review the “People Hunting” thread again, this time paying attention to what was said, especially Diane’s comment about Stoidela’s comments there, and you will see that my comment above is valid.

Regarding medication: Please contact your optician to see if he has those glasses you’ll probably need to see through your gluteus.