Did FDR Will and Allow Pearl Harbor? Srdja Trifkovic's Take on the Conspiracy Theory

[edivincison]

@Cicero

6th of June was also my grandmothers birthday- is that sinister or what?

I’ll let someone else answer your post because I can’t understand what you are attempting to say.

I’m somebody else: as far as I know, 66 (or rather 666?) is deemed to be the Devil’s number. If you want my own interpretation of this, here you are: you may know the number 69 as the utterly simplified icon symbolizing mutual cunnilingus – so 66 would mean intercourse between male homosexuals (which in a number of US and Islamic States is still considered as satanic – yet any penetration from behind, be it heterosexual vaginal, will do as an explanation for psychorigid puritans… unfortunately enough for them, the missionary position cannot be represented by Arabic numbers).

This is of course well off topic, exept for the fact that the US marines got f… up by the kamikazes… (if not by their own fleet commanders)

It seems that 9-11 was also a date choice in relation with a precedent (I found this on the web and stored it away in my archives, but don’t ask me to dig it out as there are much more important facts and indications to be assessed).

@ Raguleader

…letting myriads of personal aircraft take to the skies is basically traffic control.

Thanks for the precious expert information… president Bush too is an expert: he has just given green light to the implementation of ADS-B (Automatic Dependant Surveillance-Broadcast), which is no more based on radar but on the GPS to determine not only the position but also the intent of all aircraft, thus projecting on every pilot’s LCD screen the same picture as was to date only available to the ground-based air traffic controllers.

Note that the adjective ‘Dependant’ is a sort of a hoax, since this so called New Generation air traffic management system virtuallay supports totally independent operation, i.e. independent from the several hundred ground based control stations planned over the next three years to ensure coverage of the whole US and Canadian territory. So Bush may not even be aware of the true vocation of the system, i.e. the safe independent navigation of vast numbers of PAs.

…to ensure they know the rules they have to follow in an automobile … and for an airplane, it’s a good deal more difficult.

Every pilot will tell you that piloting is easier than car driving – but this is not the point. The difficulty is to comply to the complex rules and protocols of ground-based air traffic control. Yet this can be fully automated. Currently the main occupation of modern airliner pilots is checking and surveying the automatic procedures of their aircraft – they could basically let it fly by itself from take-off to touch-down, yet they mostly prefer not to loose their skills by taking over the controls during these crucial phases.

If you plan to come to Switzerland (and if you have children), go to visit Lausanne with its fully automated metro! Or would you maybe not let your children have a ride in the front compartment where there is no conductor?

Now you may object that a train is riding on hardened steel rails. Ask any computer specialist about the possibility of projecting virtual electronic rails into the airspace. Not only will he confirm that this is quite possible, but also that there may be millions of such virtual rail-tracks calculated in real-time by the on-board computer of every aircraft with respect to all other aircraft within a critical range, so that never any one of these virtual rails will level-cross any other.

Remember the mid-air collision above Überlingen in southern Germany: the Swiss Skyguard operator told the Russian pilot to descend, whereas the TCAS (Traffic and Collision Alert System) of the aircraft instructed him to go up – had he obeyed his on-board avionics… (I let you complete, otherwise some moderator my remind me that if wishes were horses, then beggars would ride). The operator was stabbed to death later on by a Russian man who had lost his wife and two little daughters in the crash.

The immediate effect of letting every Joe Q Public take off in his own personal helicopter would be some untold large number of mid-air collisions…

Don’t be ashamed, I experienced this reaction in almost exactly the same wording (with sometimes *falling down like stones *instead of mid-air collisions) from all types of persons I tried to get acquainted with my vision, including highly educated engineers…

You should know by now that navigation will be fully automated and hence the risk of collision drop to a residual figure versus road collisions (with virtually no attention required from the pilots, whereas on the road the least lack of attention might immediately have fatal consequences). Extrapolating from the above example of the Lausanne metro, you may even imagine tiny aircraft for kids…

Yet you should keep in mind that the PA could not be a helicopter because this rotorcraft has a series of intrinsic redhibitory snags and shortcomings:
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[li]high instability in the horizontal plane[/li][li]strong (aero)dynamic assymetry at cruising, resulting in[/li][li]prohibitive noise generation and[/li][li]excessive fuel consumption[/li][li]asymetric control response due to the gyroscopic inertia effect of the main rotor (although this is automatically compensated in modern helicopters)[/li][/ol]

Don’t believe either in the tilt rotor aircraft, as it cannot autorotate, nor in the Groen Brothers’ Rotodyne concept, as this is known since 50 years as being extremely noisy (because of its blade-tip ramjets for take-off and landing) and relatively slow (the Fairey Rotodyne never exceeded 350 km/h).

The only potential competitor against my concept may be Sikorsky’s X-wing announced for 600 km/h top speed, yet it still bears all the other typical shortcomings of the helicopter, especially the high instability in the horizontal plane. The helicopter is indeed comparable to a wine glass on a wet table: the least inclination makes the glass slide away fast in the direction of inclination; whereas it has excellent reactivity in the vertical axis through collective blade pitch variation.

My concept has the same reactivity in all spatial directions as the helicopter has only in the vertical axis. This is crucial for reduction of relative distances between aircraft in automated flight within a densely crowded airspace, including situations where the (yet to be written) distributed intelligence interactive protocols will have to command a slowdown or even a full stop (with consecutive vertical descent) of every aircraft within the critical area.

@ Brian Ekers

By who? Seems to me if the Japanese had gone to the expense of building a million throwaway planes and training a million throwaway pilots, they would have bankrupted and manpower-shorted themselves out of the war.

I brought up this supposition as a reminder of the current topic – so why should I waste time going on guessing what the past could have been if…? There is much more to gain from projection into the future of the perspective of the advent of massively widespread individual aeromobility, i.e. the transfer of road traffic into the airspace, which would enable the planetary mobilization of the civil society against those who have managed to achieve global air superiority with their relatively small number of supersonic fighters/bombers.

Imagine a myriad of wasps and bees (each carrying a sting) against a bunch of falcons and eagles…

[Raguleader]

@edivincison

This is of course well off topic, exept for the fact that the US marines got f… up by the kamikazes… (if not by their own fleet commanders)

Now now, don’t get the Marines and the Navy mixed up. They hate that.

It seems that 9-11 was also a date choice in relation with a precedent (I found this on the web and stored it away in my archives, but don’t ask me to dig it out as there are much more important facts and indications to be assessed).

Nah, I’m gonna go ahead and ask you to dig that up. If you make a claim, you gotta back it up. If it’s not important enough to back up, it’s not important enough to make a claim about.

Thanks for the precious expert information… president Bush too is an expert: he has just given green light to the implementation of ADS-B (Automatic Dependant Surveillance-Broadcast), which is no more based on radar but on the GPS to determine not only the position but also the intent of all aircraft, thus projecting on every pilot’s LCD screen the same picture as was to date only available to the ground-based air traffic controllers.

Note that the adjective ‘Dependant’ is a sort of a hoax, since this so called New Generation air traffic management system virtuallay supports totally independent operation, i.e. independent from the several hundred ground based control stations planned over the next three years to ensure coverage of the whole US and Canadian territory. So Bush may not even be aware of the true vocation of the system, i.e. the safe independent navigation of vast numbers of PAs.

Dunno about any of this, but keep in mind that a GPS-based system will only be useful for tracking aircraft equipped with GPS. If the plane has no GPS-equipped transponder, there will be nothing for the satellites to track.

Every pilot will tell you that piloting is easier than car driving

No, they won’t. Most I’ve talked to have stated that piloting is safer than driving. It’s actually considerably more dangerous, in terms of potential. It’s just that you have to go through considerably more training to become a pilot than you do to get a driver’s license. You have to put quite a bit of time and money into getting to fly a plane, while any asshole with passable vision can drive a car.

I brought up this supposition as a reminder of the current topic – so why should I waste time going on guessing what the past could have been if…? There is much more to gain from projection into the future of the perspective of the advent of massively widespread individual aeromobility, i.e. the transfer of road traffic into the airspace, which would enable the planetary mobilization of the civil society against those who have managed to achieve global air superiority with their relatively small number of supersonic fighters/bombers.

Imagine a myriad of wasps and bees (each carrying a sting) against a bunch of falcons and eagles…

I’ve noticed a certain lack of falcons and eagles getting taken down by wasps and bees. So what you’re trying to say (in some vain hope of getting this to relate to the topic of the thread), if every American had his own Piper Cub, then the Japanese wouldn’t dare attack Hawaii and the Philippines with their high-performance attack planes?

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@Raguleader

Dunno about any of this, but keep in mind that a GPS-based system will only be useful for tracking aircraft equipped with GPS. If the plane has no GPS-equipped transponder, there will be nothing for the satellites to track.

Here you seem to be getting too obvious, i.e. this tautology looks like a bug in a heckling program, because nobody with such fine command of English is deemed to be able to make such a stubborn statement in good faith.

…any asshole with passable vision can drive a car.

Quite right! The insurance companies want this to be so, because their yearly net profits are proportional to the total amount of damage payments cashed out, i.e. the total amount of fees cashed in per annum. As they are the wealthiest of all private lobbies, they have the saying in a world where economic power is being outplayed by political power – hence their control of road traffic and related legislation, where they keep the driving license requirements low for young drivers because they are the most accident prone. They also set the rules for the filtering of information issued to the media by police press information services, whereby the protection of the private sphere serves as a pretext for retaining information on road accidents.

The aim is to curb the only means to substantially lower the road accident toll, i.e. the possibility for each driver to learn from the mistakes of all others.

Not so in the private aircraft scene. Compared to the car driver insurance market, the private pilot insurance business is peanuts and the insurance lobby lets the accident information flow unhindered, with a consequent thorough official and scientific analysis and free publication of voluminous accident reports for every private aircraft accident, within the private pilot community.

But your argument misses the point anyway, **since even blind assholes will be able to fly their fully automated personal aircraft safely.
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I’ve noticed a certain lack of falcons and eagles getting taken down by wasps and bees.

Alas, again all I can reply is: nobody who writes such fine English as you do, can credibly pretend not to be able to interpret the metaphor of the bees and eagles.

I wonder if you get paid for systematic diversion, and if so, by whom…

[Raguleader]

@edivincison

Here you seem to be getting too obvious, i.e. this tautology looks like a bug in a heckling program, because nobody with such fine command of English is deemed to be able to make such a stubborn statement in good faith.

Not making any comments on your ability to make stubborn statements in good faith, only pointing out that the GPS network works by using devices designed to interact with that network. I’m already giving you the benefit of the doubt on the GPS satelites’ ability to actually receive any information from GPS navigation devices on vehicles (I don’t believe that most devices have transmitters to let them do this, but I’m sure it’d be possible to manufacture them). If you know how such a network would work on aircraft not equipped with GPS navigation aids (as many aircraft use land-based directional VHS radio navigation aids or just fly by VFR rules, where they navigate by looking outside the plane at the landscape.

Quite right! The insurance companies want this to be so, because their yearly net profits are proportional to the total amount of damage payments cashed out, i.e. the total amount of fees cashed in per annum. As they are the wealthiest of all private lobbies, they have the saying in a world where economic power is being outplayed by political power – hence their control of road traffic and related legislation, where they keep the driving license requirements low for young drivers because they are the most accident prone. They also set the rules for the filtering of information issued to the media by police press information services, whereby the protection of the private sphere serves as a pretext for retaining information on road accidents.

The aim is to curb the only means to substantially lower the road accident toll, i.e. the possibility for each driver to learn from the mistakes of all others.

Not so in the private aircraft scene. Compared to the car driver insurance market, the private pilot insurance business is peanuts and the insurance lobby lets the accident information flow unhindered, with a consequent thorough official and scientific analysis and free publication of voluminous accident reports for every private aircraft accident, within the private pilot community.

But your argument misses the point anyway, **since even blind assholes will be able to fly their fully automated personal aircraft safely.
**

I’m confused here, wouldn’t the presence of accident-prone drivers actually cause reduced profits for the insurance companies? Every time you get in a car accident, or require medical attention, or your house burns down, or whatever, whatever company that is insuring that for you has to pay money to cover the costs. When you DON’T get in an accident, or have an appendix burst, or have your house catch fire, the insurance company just continues accepting your payments without having to pay for an accident’s costs.

Alas, again all I can reply is: nobody who writes such fine English as you do, can credibly pretend not to be able to interpret the metaphor of the bees and eagles.

I wonder if you get paid for systematic diversion, and if so, by whom…

I’ll admit, that one was just me nitpicking your choice of analogy, as falcons and eagles routinely seem to manage not to get killed by swarming hornets.

And if I was getting paid for systematic diversion, I wouldn’t have needed to rack up thousands of dollars in college loan debt.

[reef_shark]

Inetersting points here. I haven’t read every post yet but im guessing the actual memos havent been shown here yet. People will really be surprised when they see a factual timeline of the events from 1920 ish to 1947.

ps General MacArthur was the man

[edivincison]

@reef_shark

Inetersting points here. I haven’t read every post yet but im guessing the actual memos havent been shown here yet. People will really be surprised when they see a factual timeline of the events from 1920 ish to 1947.

ps General MacArthur was the man

Whose’s interesting points are you referring to?

[DrDeth]

@Martin_Hyde

3. FDR did everything he could short of actually going to open war to hurt the Japanese and the Germans. In particular by refusing to sell oil to Japan he knew he was depriving them of an essential resource that their war machine needed. In every sense of the word FDR was doing things that a reasonable person might expect to provoke a declaration of war…

Note that the Japanese needed the oil for their war machine. The Japanese could have backed off in China (likely retaining Manchuko) and things would have calmed down. The Japanese needed oil to continue aggressive war. The idea that FDR “forced” Japan into the war is common amoung apologists in Japan, but is completely wrong. The aggressive War party forced Japan into war.

[foolsguinea]

@edivincison

@ Marley23

I’m not a native English speaker, so I dont know the meaning of the word ‘fnord’, nor would I be able, by assuming any meaning, to make sense of the whole phrase.

Don’t worry, it’s a very specific & obscure literary reference.

“Fnord” is a term used for a hypothetical word or symbol that doesn’t mean anything in a grammatical sense, but is used to stoke unease in its viewer. The story Marley is quoting is a bit more involved than that, but involves a conspiracy of improbable character & proportions, which is probably what inspired his reference to it.