Did Herman Cain on Meet the Press help or hinder Herman Cain?

I don’t think so. I heard him say absolutely no abortion even in the case of rape or incest.

This is almost certainly correct. In fact he’s on a book tour now, and his campaign seems to be laundering campaign money back into his motivational speaker business by having his campaign buy a lot of copies of his books.

Lord, did he accidentally cut his balls off?

The family decision scenario was in situations where the mother’s life was in danger. I thought his answer was extra weasally. If you are saying the family should be able to decide in favor of abortion when the mother’s life is at stake than you are for the right to an abortion in such cases. Just say it.

He discovered that saying it double his support base (to 50?), then saying was a joke caused those yahoos plus a few more walk away… Now he’s on his knees professing his undying devotion and begging them not to leave him – sorta like a guy caught by his rich wife with the blonde cookie from next door.

Political parties don’t work like this. At least, not in the U.S. and not at this level.The parties don’t pick the candidates. The candidates pick themselves and use the party as a support mechanism. Most of the candidates are in it because they think they can win. I’d say the exceptions are Gingrich (who has botched it anyway), Santorum (who is just hoping he can affect his Google search results), and maybe Cain- isn’t he scheduling a book tour simultaneously with his campaign? That’s… lackadaisical.

He did, but it’s over. It lasted all of 8 days - Oct 2 - 10.

Ah, OK. In that case it totally makes sense to take time out of your presidential campaign to promote your book.

So, you are saying you think that the RNC, Rupert or the Koch Bros, etc. aren’t above manipulating all this by trying to feature “the soup of the day”?

Media today doesn’t “report” the news, if it ever did. – It shapes the news by what they cover, how, and how often… and what they don’t.

I didn’t say anybody was “above” anything. It’s not an ethical issue. I said that’s not how the system works because that’s not how it works. The RNC and DNC don’t select the candidates and then recruit challengers to make them look credible. The candidates decide if they want to run or not, and before and after they decide to run, they court supporters, donors, and the party establishment. Steele and Priebus didn’t rope Bachmann and Cain into throw their hats in the ring to make Romney and Perry look good.

Except “family decides” isn’t the same as “right to an abortion”. Was he trying to imply that if the mother’s life is in danger the family–not the mother–gets to decide? Does that mean that a father could restrict the mother of his child’s right to an abortion when her life was in danger? That’s a really horrific possibility.

Nah, he was just obfuscating. He can’t actually say the words “right to an abortion” under any circumstance. That would lose him votes faster than “lets not deport all the Mexicans” cost Perry votes. So he says something that doesn’t really make a lot of sense (“if the mother’s life is at risk, that’s for the family to decide”) and hopes that the lack of a soundbite will save him.

That seems plausible if you are dealing with small numbers. If he paid $1 last year, but $260 under Cain’s plan, then he indeed will pay 260 times more.

What about the bottom 48% of the population who now pay zero federal income tax? They will literally have an infinite tax increase!

Under Cain’s plan, they will pay 9% coming in and another 9% going out. An effective 18% additional rate. It is just awful as I think about it and can’t believe it has any supporters. It is the absolute worst of all worlds.

Okay you outline how it’s supposed to work., and please don’t take this an insult, but… I’m saying it isn’t.- For the reasons I mentioned. Yes they chose to run. Yes, folks are free to shower them with buckets of money. But also yes, the media and power players are playing us. Poll questions and methodology are tilted to favor certain outcomes. Coverage is granted or withheld - even questions are asked or not during interviews or debates.

The Constitution is also the Supreme law of the land. The great foundation upon which everything else is built and through which all governmental authority and power flows… except when it’s inconvenient… Then both parties (the right more often at present, but the left has had their fun, too.) simply ignore it and hope we won’t notice.

Sometimes it’s just more glaringly obvious than others. Like when O was pretty much anointed about a week after he announced his candidacy last time

And thenbuy $64,000 dollars of themwith campaign money:

That’s funny, the election I remember, Obama was completely ignored by the media in favor of Clinton, until he started actually winning primaries.

Wait. Do any of the candidates say they are against abortion even to save the life of the mother? I can see where they might weasel about the “health” of the mother, but when the mother is actually in danger of losing her life?

I take Herman Cain at his word:

Except he weaseled out when asked that exact question; do you not support abortion even when it is necessary to save the mother’s life? His repeated answer: that would be up to the families. :confused: (um, wha? I’m sorry sir, that wasn’t the question asked).

New article on Cain’s views of the legal system. This is from an article he wrote last December describing Jesus as “The Perfect Conservative”.

So liberal courts don’t give you Miranda Rights or the right to a court-appointed attorney. And apparently liberals are pro-death penalty. I guess I really didn’t know conservative legal views after all.

Cain apparently regards Pontius Pilate as a higher power. That’s interesting.

Cain also established Jesus’s conservative credentials in life.

Well, yeah, but he was God. Easy to work without a social services system when you can cure people by touching them and feed them by making food appear by magic.

Cain spoke about his own religious views. You’ll be surprised to learn he’s a Christian.

And he’s right. Cain doesn’t literally have a cross glued to his forehead. Or at least he hasn’t since he was ten years old. I haven’t seen any pictures of him in the third grade.