If Jesus died for our sins, did Hitler get a pass?
If Hitler’s in heaven, I will simply refuse to go.
No, he’s roasting away in the 9th level of hell with a bunch of hungry demons continually poking him up the ass with red hot pitchforks and myriad (imported) Jewish spirits continually pissing in his upturned face. He probably is also being forced to have homosexual sex with mentally retarded or physically deformed gypsies as well…
Isn’t it a shame that all that heaven/hell stuff is fantasy? I mean, for the sake of putting Hitler through the ringer, I WISH it were real…
-XT
Hopefully Stalin is in the next cell getting his share as well…
-XT
Oh, like you have any chance!
Hmm, this reminds me of my last year of summer camp when the fundies tool it over. Apparently any sin will be forgiven if and only if you “accept Jesus Chist into your heart as your personal savior”. According to the pastor’s wife this meant that yes if Hitler accepted Christ and repented he would go to Heaven while the millions of Jews he slaughtered “wouldn’t” (she wouldn’t come right out and say they were in hell, but implied it). These same people also claimed that most enviromentalists “practiced some form of paganism” and that we should try to save the Earth anyway because “it’s ruled by Satan” and all we should care about is the “glorious day when God calls you home.” I’m not making any of this up.
Yeah, he lives near the Fountain of Chocolate, just around the corner from the Free Hoverboard place. Sometimes he goes to the nearby bars and has a hangover-free beer with the sex robots.
The Mormon perspective would be that Hitler is headed (after judgment) to the Telestial Kingdom. The TK is the lowest of the three degrees of glory that humans can attain, and isn’t nearly as spiffy as the other two, but it’s still several zillion times better than the world we live in now.
Not bad for a guy who engineered a half-successful genocide.
I’m a recovering Catholic. What I was told when I asked that question was Yes. And No. If Hitler was truly sorry for what he had done (and only God and Hitler know for sure) than he would be forgiven his sins. However, the church still has a pretty firm rule against suicide. In the olden days, at least, suicides went to hell. So if Hitler was truly sorry for his action but did kill himself, he went to hell.
I don’t know if it is church law, but I don’t believe a priest has to be present for a confession of sins (and repentance) to occur. A person can simply say that he is sorry. And if he IS sorry, which God will know, he will be forgiven.
The suicide, though, means he is out of luck.
Didn’t he kill himself, which would have made himself ineligible for heaven, according to most Christian interpretations?
But if not for that, if you accept all the teachings about sin, salvation, heaven, and hell, I suppose it’s possible. One can earn Hell for seemingly small infractions, without repenting, so presumably a right bloody bastard like AH ought to be able to obtain redemption. I personally have issues with this way of thinking, but I believe that this is how most Christian denominations teach it.
I’m pretty sure Sun Myung Moon says Hitler is in heaven. That answer your question?
Here - have a flower…
Did Hitler get into heaven?
Yes, but when he tried to expand along a second front into Purgatory, Stalin kicked his ass.
I don’t care if Hitler is in heaven. I only care that he not be able to do bad things to anyone.
He wouldn’t like it there. Too many Jews and other non-Aryan types.
According to the movie Little Nicky, every day at 4:00pm, Satan shoves a pineapple up Hitler’s ass.
Too bad you over-simplified that perspective to the point of, yet again, being wrong about it. The comment at the end, of course, is just a snide way of poking fun at something you disagree with. Had you explained the LDS perspective correctly, the snide comment wouldn’t look so cool.
Hitler, or Adolph Shickelgruber is the beloved child of God. I am not willing to stand in judgment of Hitler’s soul. I know that really pisses a lot of people off, but it is the truth, and I won’t hide from it. Now, if you think that means I find the things done by, and at the command of Hitler acceptable, you do not understand me. I loath the acts of Hitler. I loath even the acts that are credited to him that he did not do alone. He created hatred, and blamed that hatred on the Lord, among the many other acts of evil he has done.
But, the redeemer of souls is the rock on which my faith rests. Without Him, I am lost. I won’t get into a “who sinned more, me or Hitler” argument. But I sinned enough to fall short of the divine level of goodness that Heaven implies. If I am judged by that standard, I fall. If I am judged by the infinite love of Christ, I am raised up. But that doesn’t mean I won’t still face the reality of my sins. I will meet again, each soul I hated, every child I turned away from in their need, and all the weary hearts I turned away from because I wanted, and wanted, and wanted. It isn’t about degree.
But now, put aside your outrage and your anger at the deeds of Hitler in the world. Think a moment of what is implied by the salvation of Adolph Shickelgruber. It implies that he faced the Lord, and saw the truth about himself, and every deed and every failure he has done. And he learned of his failure, and learned that love can overcome it. Imagine Hitler redeemed. Not just forgiven, but made into a soul as dedicated to good, and to love as he was to power and hatred in the world. Hitler with the real and overwhelming desire to be as the Lord is. Hitler willing, even anxious to serve in humility those same souls he despised in life, and willing, even joyous to do so for a million years. To do so until those souls too are healed of their understandable hatred of Hitler. Imagine Hitler, the humble servant of all who have known hatred in life, and imagine him pleased to be able to make that service a thing more important than all the evil that came before it.
Salvation is not a door prize, it is a new birth. Don’t suppose that Judgment comes easily, or that rebirth comes without pain.
Please don’t close your heart. Loving the lovable is easy. Knowing that love is greater than evil, no matter how great the evil is does matter. It matters to you, because however much it is understandable, and however evil the one you hate is, hatred harms you.
Tris
What Tris said (beautifully done, btw).
Or in more simple terms, why not? Is any man capable of sin so great that it surpasses God’s ability to forgive? Is any man not in need of God’s forgiveness, anyways?
Wasn’t this subject done more than once already? Ah – right: here’s one instance. (For goodness sakes do NOT answer in THAT thread…)
The short reply is nobody could absolutely know the answer to the title question. Contrary to what some people think, most brands of Christianity do NOT believe it is enough to just recite the sounds that make up the words “Save me, Jesus, I believe you’re my Savior” as if it were some magical incantation. True repentance must be part of the equation, and it’s God who decides if the repentance is true.