Did Hitler get into heaven?

Thanks Tris

-FrL-

All the dross will be burned away. Whatever it is about Hitler that is despicable will perish in the flames; whatever survives will be those remnants that were never despicable.
Some people are going to be very much smaller and simpler - maybe a bit like newborn babes - after this process.

I think Universalism is the best doctrine available concerning “life after death.”

But I also think the verse you quote is most naturally read as applying to members of the church, not to everyone who ever lives.

Hey, it is GD after all… :stuck_out_tongue:

-FrL-

Ok.

Tris–you seem to represent the noblest sentiments to be found in Christianity, seldom seen these days. Beautifully said.

Preaching to the choir, Trisky, me and The Boss have no issues to resolve. But you do it good, so do it loud!

My understanding is Hitlers deeds will determine his ‘place’ in ‘heaven’, but not if he is actually saved.

Fair enough. Where, as a Mormon, do you think Hitler will end up? I see two possibilities:

  1. He accepts the gospel in the spirit world, has temple work vicariously performed for him, and inherits Celestial glory, or
  2. He rejects the gospel in the spirit world and is damned to the Telestial glory.

If you see any others, I’m all…eyes.

All too complicated. You sure this isn’t some trick to sneak some lawyers into Heaven?

I went to a Catholic high school. Religion classes were mandatory (I get a kick out of telling people I almost failed Morality class… Though I admit it was because I was sick for a full week before finals).

One brother told us that suicide used to be a MAJOR sin… You couldn’t even be buried in the church graveyard back then if you offed yourself. I don’t know how long ago this was. Eventually you were allowed in the graveyard but couldn’t go upstairs. Finally the church decided that one is mentally ill at the point of deciding to head out and as the church does not allow the mentally disabled (nor newborns… There’s a specific point in their development that only God knows where they can be put on trial) to go to Hell, they get a pass to heaven. Though there was some mention of limbo… Can’t remember whether he said that was in or out nowadays.

I can’t believe I’m actually educating people on this.

(the above views are not my own. I personally believe you go to a rural area in northwest Idaho whether you’re good or bad. Just God’s sense of humor.)

While that’s certain a possibility in LDS theology, isn’t it also possible that Hilter could be considered a son of perdition who indeed goes into the Lake of Fire?

As someone who had identified himself as a Hopeful Universalist, I also add that I really don’t hope too much for Hitler, Stalin, similar tyrants & their lackeys, and child abusers. BUT I can’t limit the Grace & Forgiveness of God in Jesus Christ.
I do have to add this tho- if Hitler does go to Heaven, it will be a Heaven which is ruled by the God revealed to the Hebrews, Who embodied Himself as the Son of David- the King of the Jews, Who gave His Word to the prophets of Israel, Who chose Jews as His family & friends during His Incarnation.

Those Jews & others Hitler murdered & oppressed will also be there, and he would have to repent to them. Even if he were to surrender to the Jewish-Christian God’s authority, could he bring himself to humble himself before his victims? Hitler may be in Heaven, but WILL it be Heavenly to him?

Hitler, his victims, and all abusers & their victims, and you & me will all be in Heaven on the same basis - the Grace & Forgiveness of God through Jesus Christ and our eventual surrender & embrace of God/Jesus, in this life or the afterlife (and one’s choice on that matter in this life could well be the determining factor for the afterlife). If we will not make that surrender & embrace to God/JC, then we may still be in Heaven, but I won’t guarantee at all that it would be that Heavenly.

Btw, I now see that Monty also nicely addressed the LDS question & others have
made a great representation for Christian Universalism.

Is this a joke because I don’t get it? How can Hitler serve any good cause, he is dead? The evil he created will live on forever but he can in no way redeem any of his acts nor substitute right minded ones. What philosophy permits him the opportunity of redemption simply because he had the leisure to contemplate his vile existence? Is the same redemption granted to those shot through the back of the head without the chance of reflection?

Yes the slate will be wiped clean. Hitler’s sins will have been paid in full and would have died on the cross. His sins will never be brought up again.

Scripture permits one’s sins to be totally wiped clean. This leaves Hitler with only a list of his good deeds remaining, which he will be judged on by the Father.

A hierarchical heaven? I guess scrubbing angels’ toilets is still better than ruling in Hell. Still, I find that very medieval to believe there is a VIP in heaven.

So if I go next door and stab the woman with the too-loud-TV, I just have to duck back home, quick prayer of forgiveness, sins forgotten, easier sleeping and heaven awaits?

…IF one truly repents and submits to God’s Law, one gets the clean wipe. That, in the view of most western religious traditions. In the church AH was educated in (Catholicism) and many other “classic” Christian churches, although not willing to declare anyone hellbound except for Satan, the outlook in the Next World is considered, well, rather dim if someone leaves This World in a state of Mortal Sin and in terminal, unrepentant defiance and persistence in evil (with the caveat that it’s unknowable for 100% certain if this was so to anyone but God and the Sinner).

If the process is instead one more along the lines of “fire test” described in the scripture quote abovethread, this would mean undergoing a process of destruction of the evil part of him that I would like to think would involve experiencing the pain every last of his victims experienced. It would be left to see if there’s anything left of him at the end of the process.

As mentioned also abovethread, there are theologies under which everyone gets to enter the Kingdom, but not everyone Lives Happily Ever After.
And YES of course, all this is moot if there is NO afterlife, or at least no “cosmic payback” system* a-la* Heaven/Hell, Karma, etc. so AH just up and went out leaving us all to clean up the mess and millions to have pain and suffering as their last conscious experience before they themselves simply switched off and ceased to be. The premise of the OP question is IF there is this theory that Jesus died for everyone’s sins and achieved for admission to the Eternal Kingdom, is anyone excepted from the offer.

Sapo this is not directed at you, but I have heard many people say things along the lines that it is unfair of God to punish man for eternity for sins he committed while man was on earth, basically the punishment is far too much for anything that man could have done on earth for the finite time man exists. Then we get the same people say thing along the lines of how can Hitler get into heaven?

Anyway with that out of the way here is some of what is written about final judgment:

You left out the part of accepting Jesus as your lord (king) and savior. As your king you are to serve Him, not Satan, which you served when you committed murder.

You sick bastard!

Sorry, some temptations are too much to resist.

Tris