Well, if this is your understanding of sincere contrition you are nothaving the same discussion as the rest of us.
I am not trying to belittle your comprehension, but thats is hard to avoid, if you cannot understand that pretending is an idiotic suggestion in the case of an omnicient god to whom you are making this infantile confession. If you actually don’t see the difference between experiencing the judgement and forgiveness of a divine savior, and mumbling “quick prayer of forgiveness” you should probably be doing something other than reading threads on salavation on a message board. It is a waste of your time.
Oh, I had missed this one. Yes, it turns out we are involved in different discussions entirely! You are still discussing the mortal world. I had thought this was a thread about Heaven, or immortal afterlife, and addressed possibilities that are not part of it. Since you obviously don’t believe that heaven even exists, then you certainly don’t accept that anyone is going there.
I still don’t understand why you are reading the thread.
In LDS theology, Sons of Perdition are those who willfully reject Jesus after coming to a “perfect knowledge” of His divinity. Thus, the average schlub who was once a Mormon and no longer believes (e.g. me) is not a Son of Perdition, but Judas Iscariot, who knew Jesus personally and saw his works firsthand, is.
Sons of Perdition, in Mormon belief, are exceedingly rare. Hitler, who most likely was never exposed to the true (i.e. Mormon) gospel, and certainly never received a direct revelation of Jesus’ divinity, could not be.
My understanding is that, assuming Hitler is not a really old guy living in Argentina today, Hitler is dead. He will stay dead till he is resurrected for final judgment some time in the future. The way I read it there does not seem to be a extra chance for repentance during that time. But I don’t recall anything that expressly prohibits it however. This resurrection comes directly after Satan is defeated and doomed if we assume chronological order.
“And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever”
-Revelation 20:10
Without the choice to serve Satan, it would seem that there is no choosing possible for Hitler anymore.
<<2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.
2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
**Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide. **
2283 **We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives. ** >>
And as always, thanks Tris!
Huh, I was wondering where the local band The Sons of Perdition got their name.
Keep in mind that in the New Testament, it was said several times that Jesus would return while the people who were alive then, were still alive. The idea of souls in a holding pattern for 2000 years seems strange to us, but back then no one thought it would take so long.
The context is the Lamb is the Christ. Christ has opened up 4 of 7 ‘seals’ of the book, each seal allows to happen ‘something’ then first 4 seals broken release the infamous 4 horsemen which cause major problems for us humans. Giving them white robes is usually assumed to symbolize the cleansing of sins/making them worthy of God.