Watching the 6th movie again to prep. for the 7th(Part 1) this next weekend.
Anyway, I’ve read the books a few times and I can’t remember. Did Malfoy know there was a vanishing cabinet in the Room of Requirement? If so, how?
The movie shows him checking one out at Borgun and Burkes, so he must have some knowledge one is there.
How did he know? Did Snape tell him? I’m assuming Dumbledore didn’t know. He seemed impressed and surprised at the plan.
Well, it was mentioned in one of the books before #7 that Montague (I think that was his name) got lost in a vanishing cabinet “last year”. I think Fred or George tell Harry this. Someone with a greater knowledge will probably remember better. I believe Draco even says that Montague told him he could hear people in Borgun & Burkes sometimes while he was trapped between them.
Ron’s brothers (the twins, I can’t remember their names) stuff a Slytherin student into the cabinet for being insufferable. While in there, the Slytherin hears noises from both ends and figures out it’s a portal. He apparates out and ends up in a toilet. Malfoy later interrogates him and finds out about the cabinet.
Here it is explained at the Harry Potter Wiki.
Thanks. I don’t know how people who watch the movies only even follow the storyline, sometimes.
My Dad only watches the films, once each, when they come into theaters. I have no idea if he even remembers who is who.
Wow I totally got that wrong. I thought the point of the scene with Malfoy and his huge pile of luggage was that he brought it with him.
Yep.
What?
It does start me wondering though, how the Vanishing Cabinet got into the “memory hole” aspect of the Room of Requirement…
I also don’t grok how the room of requirement looks exactly the same for Drako as it later does for Harry and Ginny…a giant cluttered storage space.
That makes sense for Harry and Ginny needing to find a hiding place for the textbook, but it seems that Drako’s requirement would be just a room with the cabinet in it.
The room they use is off the Room of Requirement, and is called the Room of Hidden Things.
I think he means that the scene explores Malfoy’s character in depth for the first time. And this is also important. We see that he’s not as much like his father as we thought (bad upbringing or no), and his inner conflict between protecting caring about his family and not wanting to really be involved in this mess.
Again: How did the Vanishing Cabinet get into the RoR? Fred and George certainly didn’t pace back and forth in front of it three times while trying to decide how they were going to stop Montague from taking points away from Gryffindor. The Vanishing Cabinet had to be right there.
Did Malfoy put it in the RoR? Did Filch? It’s hardly a “secret” room if the Squib janitor knows about it…
Fred and George referred to it as “the vanishing cabinet on the first floor.” That implies to me that it was brought to the Room of Requirement after they shoved Montague in it. Very likely it was Malfoy who did that.
I don’t recall anything that led me to believe that the “Room of Hidden Things” wasn’t just one of the manifestations of the Room of Requirement; I think that’s just what Draco calls that room. It appears in that manifestation several times in the books, whenever someone needs a place to hide something, and there’s no reason it wouldn’t appear the same every time whenever it is needed for this purpose. It’s basically a warehouse at this point.
I concur that Malfoy (probably with some muscle help from his mooks) put the vanishing cabinet in the Room of Requirement, where he meant to hide it so he could practice with it. If Malfoy never got word that the room can be anything it is needed to be and only thought of it as a “Room of Hidden Things,” that’s all he would’ve gotten when he went in there. Dumbledore’s Army got a meeting/practice space because that’s what they specified they needed.
Draco and Harry both wanted a place where they could hide something.
Apparently, so did Indy.
My impression of what the Room of Requirement was, was that it could be any size and provide any space that they needed it to be, but it was still the same room every time. When they needed it to store something, the storage section came up, i.e. Room of Hidden Things, and it was the same room every time, keeping the same objects that have been placed there over the decades and centuries, most of them soon forgotten. Items weren’t spontaneously generated according to need, it was, essentially, just infinite storage.
But when they need a meeting space, it’s an empty room, of the size it needs to be, but its appearance is always essentially the same.
I don’t think it was thought through by Jo Rowling much deeper than that. Though I would love to ask her.
Since we’re answering questions about the HBP movie (I never read the books) I’ve got another one:
What was the purpose of the bad guys sneaking into Hogwarts? If the Draco/Snape tagteam killed Dumbledore why the need to slip those guys in? Just so they could trash the place and leave?
And after trashing Hogwarts they seemed to make a purposeful stop at Hagrids to set his place ablaze. Any real reason for that?
i figured the cabinet was put in by the house elves. they seemed to use the room quite a bit to store old decorations, broken furniture, and anything else that was not needed.
it also seems that students and faculty sometimes came across it when they needed to hide something that went dreadfully wrong or to store the odd dozen or so of sherry bottles.
for hampshire:
when reading betwix the lines one could theorize that the bad guys coming into hogwarts was to be a takeover of the school after dumbledore’s death. there was a greater force of deatheaters in the book.
they got into a bit of trouble with the defense of the school by the ootp (there was a greater force including bill weasley) and da. they ran out.
on the way out hagrid got involved in the fight and started tossing deatheaters, his house was set ablaze to distract him (fang was in there) and they made their escape.
Hampshire:
Because Hogwarts was well-defended by the Order of the Phoenix, and probably by Ministry Aurors as well. Dumbledore was a target, probably the primary one, but he wasn’t the only member of the anti-Voldemort force. And Hagrid himself was a member of the Order, so punishing him by burning his house made sense too.