Did Russia order the shooting down of that plane today?
It sounds far-fetched but consider the theory:
Russia has a long-standing problem with Islamic extremists in Chechnya (these are undoubtedly funded by Bin Laden.)
Russia sees the attack on the WTC as a golden opportunity to get rid of the extremists once and for all.
To accomplish this they don’t have to lift a finger - they can just let the US and the west do the job for them.
They shoot down the jet and insist it was terrorists.
Why this particular jet?
Firstly, because it was over a Russian sphere of influence so they would control the evidence gathering and any subsequent inquiry.
Secondly, because it was an Israeli jet so there would definitely be suspicions of a terrorist action.
Convenient how it fell into the Black Sea and not over any populated land areas wasn’t it? Was this by co-incidence, or by design?
They would do all this in order to further incite the west into taking out the Taliban government and Bin Laden. There have already been signs that the plan is to take out just OBL, not necessarily the whole Taliban. And if the Taliban suddenly handed over OBL, would there be the political will to invade at all? And the Taliban have made noises about wanting to negotiate. Maybe the Russians feared the war they so desire is in danger of being called off.
In accordance with the pre-arranged plan, the Ukrainian military vehemently deny it while the Russian government make noises about the possibility of a terrorist attack.
But it doesn’t quite go as planned because an Armenian pilot flying nearby sees the plane explode and Washington say they think it was a surface to air missile. They say it was fired “accidently” in order to be polite to the Russians.
If it was a terrorist act, it seems quite an odd one. Who did it? Bin Laden? So in that case he would need to have had a truck capable of firing a surface-to-air missile stationed in Russian controlled territory. And such a truck hasn’t been noticed by anybody as it slowly trundled into the Ukraine, fired it’s missile and then trundled out again!
OBL terrorist looks back as they finally leave Russian controlled territory and head into Afghanistan, turns to his comrade and says: “Phew, that was lucky, no one noticed us”.
Why would OBL do this anyway? If you’re going to fire a surface-to-air missile at a plane, there must be easier targets in the world than one over Russian territory. He could have shot down a plane over a part of the world that doesn’t have all the spy satellites and all the spotter planes known to man currently watching it.
Why would the Ukraine be denying it? If your army just fired a SAM at an aircraft by mistake you’d have figured it out by now.
Once the Russians realise the “terrorist” idea isn’t going to stick the Ukrainians will own up to an “accidental” errant SAM.
Russia has still left room for themselves. They don’t get the blame whatever happens.
I’m not saying this is true, its just an alternative theory.
But imagine this!
Tony Blair must have advisors smarter than I am, so if Ive thought of this possibility, they must have too. And Blair was in Moscow earlier today meeting with President Putin. He probably didn’t have enough evidence to actually suggest this theory to Mr Putin but he must have known about the possibility.
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I mean, no, there’s no reason to think the initial reaction of a military bureaucracy in a less-than-fully-liberalized state to a Full-Fledged Major Cluster Fuck like shooting down a civilian jetliner would be to, you know, get all shifty and stonewall and deny everything. As I recall, even the U.S. military–in a country with a much more mature tradition of free press and (more or less) open government–initially reacted to accidentally shooting down an Iranian airliner by saying:
It was descending towards our ship in a threatening manner.
It was outside of the normal flight path for civilian airliners.
[South Park]It was coming right at us![/South Park]
We may have said something about the transponder on the plane being fishy too, and possibly that there was an enemy fighter up there in the same part of the sky at the same time. I’m not as sure about those details.
I’m pretty sure I remember Paul Harvey darkly hinting that the whole thing was probably a vicous Iranian provocation–it was a suicide mission! They wanted us to shoot down their airliner so they could score big propaganda points!
It was only as the confusion abated that we admitted that the plane had been behaving in a perectly normal way for an airliner on a routine milk run to Dubai (or wherever the hell it was going), that it was in the regular internationally recognized civilian air lane, not descending or heading right towards anybody, and that the military transponder in question was probably on an Iranian F-14 sitting on the ground at an airbase inside Iran, and that, in short, we had Screwed the Pooch Big Time. (In the U.S. Navy’s defense, they were being shot at at the time.)
Before anyone even gets into TWA 800–I could maybe believe the U.S. Navy might try to cover up shooting down one of our own airliners by mistake (although much more plausible would simply be an effort to pin the whole thing on the most junior officer possible). I don’t believe the U.S. Navy could persuade both the FBI and the National Transportation Safety Board to put their bureaucratic necks on the line to cover up the Navy’s mistake, even if the Navy wanted to and tried to do so. And all it would take would be one disgruntled NTSB guy who’s made a career out of telling the truth about airplane crashes singing to the New York Times or the Washington Post to blow the whole thing out of the water.
I notice they’ve now found fragments of a Ukrainian missile in the wreckage. This seems to rule out the “terrorist” theory and just leave the question of:
Was it an accident or was it deliberate?
Apparently the plane was a long way away from the Ukrainian missile testing site when it was shot down. And there were no Russians on board, they were all Israelis.
OK so the plane was within range. But it was only within range for a few minutes.
So this “accidental” missile would need to have been a missile fired towards the edge of its range at precisely the time that the plane was flying through.
Then, if it was an “accident”, it would need to have malfunctioned and tracked the plane.
So how many co-incidences have we got here?
A plane enters Ukrainian missile range for 5 minutes or so. This is the same five minutes at which the Ukrainians decide to fire a missile in its general direction.
Then, this particular missile malfunctions sending it after the plane.
It scores a direct hit.
There were no Russians on board (except maybe crew).
The debris lands neatly in the Black Sea.
Hmm, we know the Russians are in favour of curtailing the Islamic Extremists in Afghanistan because of the problems in Chechnya.
They also want control of the pipeline carrying the newly discovered oil in that area.
Well, of course, except for the dozen or so other missiles that Ukraine fired during the same test series.
If you’re going to have an accident, at least one of the missiles has to hit the plane–otherwise there is no accident, just an “incident.”
Well, technically, the evidence being dragged out of the Black Sea tends to show that it blew up just before it hit–which is what proximity fuse weapons are designed to do–so, along with the mechanism for homing in on a target (which is why they build them this way), that does not seem very odd or coincidental, at all.
They were all Russians, as the charter flight was taking Russian emigré Israelis back to Russia to celebrate a holy day with their families.
Which is certainly a better place for Ukraine to be test firing missiles than over Kiev. (And I understand it wasn’t very neat–lots of scattered debris.)
Maybe you can sell this to Oliver Stone–he has announced a desire to make a terrorism movie.