While I do not in any way think OUR government was involved in the planning or execution of the attacks on 9-11, I do not think OBL was actually responsible either. Bush certainly didn’t think so, as he stated that he “didn’t care” about him when asked.
I believe our government lied to us about who carried out the attacks and why. Who owned the only three buildings to be detroyed? What was his reaction? Why did the “plane” that hit the Pentagon fly all the way around and conveniently hit the one section closed down for renovation? Renovation to make it stronger against a MISSILE ATTACK?
And why were over 80 security camera tapes from various places areound the Pentagon confiscated and classified, leaving only one that showed NOTHING to be released?
I may be a nutcase, but so far no one can answer those questions.
That just means that he never cared about 9-11 except a s political tool to get his way. It gave him the political leverage to get into Iraq and pass oppressive and intrusive laws; he never cared in the slightest about the people who were killed, so he had no reason to care about getting OBL. If anything he probably approved of OBL’s actions, they sure helped Bush.
Silverstein’s reaction is pretty well indicated. He was not happy and lost loads of money in the attack, even with insurance.
Because that was the easy path to take. Ask a pilot.
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The ‘80 cameras confiscated’ has been crap that has never been verified.
Several of those that were have been released and didn’t show much - people tend to have their security cameras pointed at what is important to them, not parts of other people’s buildings.
The ‘one’ actualy does show quite a bit - just not in high def/hi-speed that the spoiled youtube generation seems to think is default everywhere.
Even if they confiscated them, that doesn’t automatically mean they have the right to release those tapes. They are the property of the company that taped them until certain legal conditions are met (such as with the tapes that were released).
They’ve been answered dozens, if not hundreds of times. So many that we’re actually sick of it. This is the same crap the ‘truth’ movement has been bringing up since 2006. It is old, it is bullshit, stop spreading lies and stop saying things haven’t been answered when they have.
GIGOBuster already covered this, but frankly you should have been able to find that on your own. This shit is so godawful old.
They had commercial pilots licenses. They don’t hand those out in Cracker Jack boxes. The ‘poor pilot’ claims come from their early pilot training. They got better.
To lose altitude without going too far away. Not hard, really.
How many ‘coincidences’ are just enough for you? The side he hit was the one he could reach after his decent. To hit another section would have required another turn.
Really? Prove it then. I’ve heard allegations but only one source.
In the sky? Don’t think so. The ones in the flight path were at a gas station and a hotel, which were, amazingly enough, pointed at gas pumps and a door.
There is no ‘good’ version. It was a low speed security camera focused to watch cars in a parking lot, not the wall or the plane in the distance… The frame rate was somewhere around 1fps. There will be no ‘good version’.
Why is this lack of videos a problem for you? Do you believe there was not plane that hit the Pentagon? Some of your complaints about ‘coincidences’ require contradictory themes of thought.
It is not thin. Look up the history of the Zapruder film sometime and how a lot of money had to be paid out because they didn’t control access to the film -which since it was never entered as evidence in a Federal case should never have been public domain.
So your argument is basically ‘Oh yeah? Well I don’t think so’.
All I can say is that if Popular mechanics is your main source of “debunking” (as many cite) what really happened on 9-11, maybe you shouldn’t be in the argument.
Like the Kennedy assasination, we will never get the real story, and people will begin to say “this is all so OLD”.
The hole in the pentagon was way too small for a 757. No plane parts were found (at least from a 757, and another question…WHY were there guys in business suits running around picking stuff up before the NTSB or any investigative body arrived on the scene?
There were highway cameras that could have seen the flight path. There were building security cameras all around the Pentagon. ALL were confiscated and classified.
But of course, the best thing to do is call those who ask questions “crazy”.
My argument is “I don’t thnk so” because like the Kennedy assasination, the “official” explaination is IMPOSSIBLE.
The chances of ONE building falling straight down are astronomical. THREE is just WAY too much, especially when the ONLY three were owned by the same guy, and he ordered the fire department to “pull” it.
Of course, we haven’t mentioned Bush sitting for 7 minutes dooing NOTHING when he heard “Mr. President, the country is under attack”.
Of course, later he lied through his tooth and said “I saw the first plane hit the tower on TV”
NO ONE saw it on TV because that video wasn’t even known about for days.
The problem with conspiracy theorists isn’t necessarily that they don’t have any good points to ask whatsoever. It is that all their thought processes are ass-backward like a brain breech birth. That’s the part that always gets me. Let’s start with the extreme basics. Do you believe that 4 planes full of people took off and then went missing? If so, where did they go and what is the most logical explanation based on everything within the realm of reason?
Starting with anything other than the basics from start to finish rather than working in reverse is the mark of pure insanity and that seems to be where conspiracy theorists work from. Now, if you started with the claim that the planes that we know went up and did what we know they did but Osama Bin Laden wasn’t directly responsible for it, that sounds a little nutty but there is room for doubt. It is a little strange that he has been missing all this time. I wouldn’t bet my life that other people didn’t help Oswald conspire to kill Kennedy either. There are some weird questions still surrounding that as well. It get really disturbing though when you hear that there are people running free in the wild that dispute immutable facts, realities, and the laws of physics however.
I have used 911myths, others have used debunking911. Neither of these is part of Popular Mechanics. This would indicate to me that you have not even looked at the links we gave and are not interested in anything.
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Like the Kennedy assasination, we will never get the real story, and people will begin to say “this is all so OLD”.
Got pics of that? I’ve seen pic of civilian workers and first responders moving airplane pieces - likely to make room for emergency vehicles.
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There were highway cameras that could have seen the flight path.
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Where. Tell us where they are.
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There were building security cameras all around the Pentagon.
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No there aren’t. The Pentagon uses minimal cameras as it prefers live security. 911 CTers have been pointing at anything on the roof and claiming it was a camera. Usually they are pointing at lights.
Evidence?
Two of the buildings were hit by planes. The other was hit by large, burning chunks of the other buildings. All the fires went unfought. Why is it hard to accept that these buildings failed under such circumstances. Hardly any engineers have any doubts about what caused the failure - but you’d rather blame the (jewish) building owner - who incidentally we have pointed out the error of the ‘pull it’ comment.
Also, are you aware that every other WTC building was destroyed as well? Why do you shed no tears for WTC4, or WTC6?
What was he supposed to do? His area was secure, and Secret Service needed time to get a secure route to get him to safety.
