What I am saying is that that males going into philosophy would be different from females in a way that would make these *particular *blunders less likely. The group from which each would be drawn would be different. Males who are drawn to philosophy are different from most male college students. I noticed this in my various classes, that the males (those who were philosophy majors) were different from the males in say, my history or English classes. I also think that the females would be more likely to come from wealthy families than the males.
Because penis.
Whereas the men had been fathered by or had themselves fathered longshoremen.
It’s amazing how you reveal a new prejudice with each post and if you really have any connection to academic philosophy it makes me think that of course prejudice was involved.
Well, a wealthy family is more likely to be able to support a female student through a long course of study when the field is not medicine or something more remunerative than philosophy. And if the student is a male, I think a wealthy family would be more likely to encourage him to study law or medicine.
So, again, what I am saying is that the female philosophy student is more likely to come from a wealthy family and thus be ‘spoiled’.
If you actually would stop and think about what I say before rejecting it, it would be helpful
Wow.
You have no clue how you sound. Really no point here.
Please read my last post. It explains.
Everyone: Okay, it’s time to stop the “woman/men are better than men/woman” debate and get back to the OP.
…And since you are the one who introduced this hijack, this is a specific note for you: Stop hijacking threads or you will get more warnings. If you want to post in this thread, you talk about what the thread is about. Any other debates you want to get into (such as a gender debate), you either start a new topic about or take it to the Pit to rant.
All right.
The wider point is that philosophy is especially vulnerable to criticisms of sexism.
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/09/10/philos
So it does not require a hair-trigger to wonder, in this case, what role the applicant’s gender played given the discipline.
I am very happy to see that both of my alma matres are in the top 10 departments by % of tenured/TT female faculty.
That’s very interesting. In biology there doesn’t seem to be that kind of bias, which surprises me to find in a humanities discipline.
Thanks for the info.
I think the reason why gender comes in to this is that it plays on many women’s fears.
We know we make, on average, less than men in similar positions (with the exception if young childless women in early career positions, who now enjoy a brief advantage.)
We know part of this is because women tend not to negotiate their salaries. Why not? The standard explanation is that we are socialized to not make waves in the workplace.
But the scarier explanation, the one that really strikes to our hearts, is not the fear that it will be awkward or uncomfortable to ask for more. It’s the fear that we will be punished for it. It’s not fear that they will say no. It’s fear that we will get a label on us that has a real and lasting effect on our lives.
We don’t know that’s what happened here, but it looks enough like it to put the fear of god in us.
As you know, I am very enthusiastic about the possibility of coming to Nazareth. Granting some of the following provisions would make my decision easier.
Unfettered access to a dark red velvet Victorian fainting couch.
An unlimited supply of lacy handkerchiefs lightly scented in rose water.
Let me know what you think.
I think the reason why gender comes in to this is that it plays on many women’s fears.
We know we make, on average, less than men in similar positions (with the exception if young childless women in early career positions, who now enjoy a brief advantage.)
We know part of this is because women tend not to negotiate their salaries. Why not? The standard explanation is that we are socialized to not make waves in the workplace.
But the scarier explanation, the one that really strikes to our hearts, is not the fear that it will be awkward or uncomfortable to ask for more. It’s the fear that we will be punished for it. It’s not fear that they will say no. It’s fear that we will get a label on us that has a real and lasting effect on our lives.
We don’t know that’s what happened here, but it looks enough like it to put the fear of god in us.
Biology is actually one of the few STEM fields with almost no gender bias, biology is out of the norm.
Though I’ll grant that I’m also somewhat surprised that philosophy, in particular, has a gender bias against women.
I have a background in academia (dropped out mid-PhD in English). Something about Nazareth struck me as familiar. I also did my undergraduate study at a small liberal arts catholic college in NY. And I found it in about two min. on Nazareth’s website - they were started by the sisters of St. Joseph. In their mission statement alone, you can see the St. Joseph’s background. I did my graduate work at a large research university - a world of difference. Seriously, another world.
Now I’m a happy government employee with no negotiations to think about; I’m entitled to exactly what I get 
I think she was a bad fit. And a pansy. She’ll probably be successful in her field. She’s psychologically disposed to and been trained to feel a certain way about her work. I don’t think it’s a gender thing at all.
I knew that about the ratio of grad students and post docs in bio, but the number of women drop off dramatically in TT positions. Somehow they get lost.
I was surprised about philosophy too.
Don’t be so sure. I didn’t think to negotiate when I was hired for my current government job, thinking that just isn’t done, only to later find out from a colleague who started around the same time that she’d negotiated her salary big-time. :smack: We started off at the same entry level, and now she’s a manager.
So I then took my cues from her and interviewed for a position in her shop. Leveraged myself a big salary increase. It worked out beautifully.
WHAT! Damn my ovaries! I didn’t know this was possible.
I think I’ll go send an email to my boss asking for some provisions, like donuts and more time to read my emails and think of interesting but pointless questions that show her I can think of an interesting question. I bet I can get my demands met. Starting Monday afternoon.
What are TT positions?
Sorry! Tenure track faculty positions.