Originally posted by The Ryan:
Mary Hart’s Legs posted:
“However, speaking on Canadians’ behalf, the NAFTA agreement has solidified the economic and cultural invasion of Canada by American interests.”
You’re blaming America for Canadian foreign policy decisions?
-You’ve missed the point, The
Posted by Mary Hart’s Legs:
“While far from having communist ideals, that’s evil enough for me.”
Reply by The:
“Yes, when compared to easing trade restictions between the US, Mexico, and Canada, Soviet purges just don’t seem all that bad”
-Are you always this embarassing poor at creating a sarcastically juxtapostional arguement?
Yep, but remember that the Cold War was never defined as a shooting war but rather a political environment. If Russia were to get their act together as a democracy and we started pestering each other at every turn of foreign policy again, is it still the Cold War (with a short break in the middle) or Cold War II? Do you think the Hundred Years War was going hot and heavy every year it was fought? Historically this could be a period dominated by Cold Wars, plural, and to most people 500 years from now it won’t matter much what the political systems were.
. . .fitting the ‘CIA’, ‘Nazi Authorities’, the ‘Mob’ & the ‘French Connection’ all in one post!
. . .shoddy facts leading up to a preposterous conclusion!
. . .double posting for emphasis!
You’ve clearly got me out-gunned here, my friend!
On a serious note, if you really insist on challenging me here, I’ll dig-up the stats on the Soviet death toll and internal destruction and you can unearth the stats on the millions of latin american lives killed directly by the US government. We must both include cites, links and refrain from using unsupported evidence. Either I am right (and the USSR is the far greater murderer and destroyer) or you are (and the US is the real evil empire).
Oh, and the loser stays the hell out of Great Debates for the rest of the year.
You up for it?
Yet to be reconciled with the reality of the dark for a moment, I go on wandering from dream to dream.
This is a big list and open to debate, but I’ll start with governmental problems:[ul][li]massive growth in the “intelligence establishment” and a parallel rise in government secrecy in general[/li][li]overstepping of presidential powers through executive orders and the like, meant to combat the communist menace[/li][li]increased entanglement in foreign affairs[/ul][/li]Social problems are a little more vague, but a list might include:[ul][li]increased paranoia []bipolar blinkers (capitalist vs commie, christian vs secular humanist, etc.)[]labor unions being crushed the need for an “enemy” to rally against[/ul][/li]
Sorry if I was unclear - I was talking about the sustained trade deficit. Certainly U.S. companies/consumers cannot continue to rack up a deficit every year without also incurring some debt. FWIW, the CIA Factbook http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/us.html lists “Debt—external: $862 billion (1995 est.)”. Bummer about the pdf’s.
U.S. policy in Central America is a whole thread in itself, and tangetial at best to this one, although I’d be happy to meet you there.
The U.S shouldn’t try to agonize over what it felt it had to do,right or wrong,if it
wishes to remain the prime power in the
world,we Brits have done this for years
and kept our eye off the ball-now where
are we?
Man, this has turned out to be really interesting. Appearantly the USSR kinda kicked it’s own butt, with as much help from the outside as from inside.
Going back in time a little, I read that Kruschev actually won some secret, but significant strategic concessions from JFK to end the Cuban missle crisis.
Thoughts?
Peace,
mangeorge
Not much, Norman. Just some mention that Kennedy agreed to pull Jupiter missles out of Turkey. I think there was more to it than that, but I can’t find anything. So much that happened during that era is secret, or just not talked about for political reasons.
Still looking.
Peace,
mangeorge