Did you later change your mind about who was the bad guy in your parents' divorce?

I’m the supportive bystander to a friend’s divorce. It’s so clear to me that her husband is emotionally abusive. He’s mean, critical, contemptuous and there’s no behavior on her part that can evoke nicer behavior on his part. It’s not just what she has told me, it’s what I have seen over years of her trying to make excuses for him and act like everything was ok.

But her teenage daughters have sided with him. She’s the one leaving, so in their mind she’s the one breaking up the family. Also it seems like over the years they have bought his version of her as the one who “makes” him so angry. I’m trying to comfort her with the thought that eventually, as they become adults, they will see his true colors.

But am I right? Did that happen with any of you?

kind of.

it’s not that my dad became any less an asshole for not visiting or trying to include me in his life (despite living with his new wife and her son less than 5 miles away from us).

but, as I got older, it became much more apparent why he’d left.

I’ve never seen a divorce that didnt involve 2 people. In one relatives case she had an affair and walked out on him but then he had become very cold towards her.

No, I didn’t. Mom was always the culprit, and while I loved her and got comfortable with the new arrangements, it was always clear that dad was the superior parent and better all around person. It was a wise judge that allowed him primary custody of three young children in 1974

The girls lived with them. You didn’t, and you aren’t a part of that marriage.

My parents aren’t divorced, and I haven’t been either, but I’ve been wrong about more than one couple when I heard both sides of the story.

My parents celebrated their 61st anniversary together.

No. My dad was broken and not suitable for my mum.

I was seven when it all went down.

I pretty much always knew that my Dad was a narcissistic abusive prick. I also always knew that the way that my Mom went about ending it was about as poorly done as possible. No child deserved their shit.

My Dad was really a monster during his marriage, the worst of the worst. We still have a relationship though but we will get in fights and go over a year without speaking at times. My Dad is now lonely and single though he was married twice and had a few other series of serious relationships. He told me something once that stuck with me, “You know son the whole time I was married I always wanted to be single and doing my own thing, well I finally got my wish.” It was definitely a bitter sentiment.

My dad was and still is the most admirable person in my life, he did everything to keep the family together and happy while my mother from the first days I remember was always emotionally manipulative and somehow managed to convince the 10% of people in public who didn’t immediately see through her bullshit to somehow believe the reason why I wasn’t social in public functions was because other men were ass-raping me on a daily basis in high school gym (she somehow even convinced her court ordered psychiatrist this). But those 10% of people she convinced treated me and my father like shit for the rest of our lives because of her lies, so no matter what she said about my dad was true nothing would change my mind on who was the “bad guy”.

Well, lah-dee-dah.

That’s special and all but what does that have to do with this thread?

What struck me is that there have only been three divorces in my extended family - weird.

But, in one case, something similar happened. My uncle was a very successful professional at a young age, and it made him an arrogant asshole. My aunt, his high school sweetheart, divorced him before they hit 35. Their 4 kids blamed her - he wasn’t physically abusive, always supportive of them, and they went from upper-middle class lifestyles to working poor almost overnight. They didn’t hate her, but they saw her as the reason for the divorce.

They were in their 20s before they saw what he was like, possibly because he got worse as he got older.

Some people just enjoy threadshitting.

Maybe it’s been 61 years of agonizing hell?

Neither will agree to end it and risk the chance of making the other happy.

My parents got divorced, my mother never said a bad thing against my father. My sisters and I kind of figured out when we got Older. He was an selfish man. He divorced my mother and his family and married a woman that he impregnated.

My parents’ divorce was relatively amicable (he was cheating, she put up with it for a while then decided not to anymore). I was six when they separated and nine when they divorced, and for much of that time they lived in different places so I’d only see Dad for extended visits. At the time, I “preferred” Dad because he didn’t tell me what to do and bought me cool stuff. I still love him, but once I got older I realized my mum was the one who actually took care of me and who was really there for me.

There’s a not-really-all-that-funny joke about the couple in their 90s who are divorcing because they don’t have to stay together for the kids any more, because now the kids are all dead.

My parents got a very much needed divorce after 18 years of marriage when I was 12. As of this last December, they’ve both passed away now, so I’m no longer looking over my shoulder in terror at the thought of airing dirty family laundry - but they were both very much at fault for the dissolution of their marriage.

At first, because I’d been a witness to several years worth of verbal and physical abuse on the part of my father toward my mother, I completely sided with my mom and almost hated my dad. I was glad he was gone from our home and spent several years in little to no contact with him, because he was an angry man and was bad at expressing himself except in anger. But as time passed and I got older and grew up some myself, I started to realize that my mother was certainly no angel. Shed been emboldened by her perceived ‘victory’ in her fight against my father’s ‘oppression’, and she started to lord her newfound independence over my sister and me in ways that hampered our growth. She was never really very good at taking care of herself or her business, but she WAS quite skilled at victimhood, victim blame, spending other people’s money, and drinking to excess.

Now don’t get me wrong - physical and verbal abuse are NEVER okay. It’s even less okay when you turn those abuses on your young children. My father was eventually able to change his ways and chill the heck out, I think in large part due to the birth of his first grandchild in 2001. We definitely were able to bury the hatchet and became very good friends. We came to respect each other as individuals - helped along by my realization in my late teens that - SHOCKINGLY - parents are JUST PEOPLE!

But my mom? Just a person though she was, I am convinced that she had some form of undiagnosed narcississtic personality disorder. She treated me and my slightly younger sister so very differently all our lives that it was clear she’d picked a favorite. At some point FAR in the past, she started telling anyone who would listen - her friends, my friends, our family - that I was a pathological liar, apropos of nothing, mostly to cover for her own failures. 30+ years later I’m still trying to put out the fires that this has caused in my life. She told my nurse practitioner aunt I was a hypochondriac starting when I was 15, told her so often that my aunt genuinely thought I’d been diagnosed with Muchausen syndrome - when really I had Epstein Barr, chronic migraines, and would later be diagnosed with MS and chronic peripheral neuropathy.

They weren’t a good fit for each other, probably weren’t for several years before they split up. They were both at fault, but my mom absolutely tried to poison my sister and me against my father, and it unfortunately worked for a time. So yes, while there are certainly cases where one partner can be 100% at fault for the dissolution of a marriage, at least in my parents’ case, they both sucked. I am glad I came to realize it before they were both gone.