Dream on, you chubby slob. I’m at one of your Lagrunge Points.
You bastard! Only someone from Montreal would stoop so low as to use miss-spelled French against a proper American.
I’m a fat-ass too and I think the OP is on the money. It’s gross when anyone leaves a puddle behind them, even if it is only sweat. If they don’t clean up after themselves start kicking the grody fuckers out .
Cry me a river, thought police. Being overweight doesn’t make you a race you dumb shits, and even if it was my intent obviously wasn’t to bash all of them.
DSeid, I’m also extremely grateful that slovenly pigs like you who don’t give a second thought for personal hygiene or the welfare of others don’t go to my gym, as I’d take much pleasure in telling your ass to wipe up any stinking damp patches you may have caused. If doing that makes me some kind of evil fascist then fuck it.
Look, I’m not a member of the Fat Offenderati and I couldn’t care less about the direction of this thread but you’ve been around here long enough to know your audience. And no, it was not obvious you didn’t mean to bash all of “them”. You know damn good and well the person’s weight should have no bearing on the OP. Here’s how you describe the offending woman:
Dirty, old, skank, fat, ugly, mutton-faced, wobbly, rice-arsed, cretin, cow.
Leaving behind sweat at the gym is rude no matter what size you are. Taking delight in calling her a fat, mutton-faced cow is being an ass.
Here’s some reading for future study:
To the obese woman whose cell phone rang at the tomb of the unknown soldier.
Obese Woman Ruins Theatre.
I had to come back to this comment. How exactly do you define “a class” of people? In fact all the phrase means is a set of people with a common attribute that can be used to differentiate them from other people. So yes, “tall” and “brunette” are also classes of people. Not, in this society at least, that a class have their class attribute thrown around as a casual insult, or that deal with any workplace discrimination, but classes nevertheless. “Fat” differs from those two classes in that fat people do have that attribute about them thrown around as a casual insult and they do face a fair amount of workplace discrimination (cites available if you need them). And perhaps because many people honestly believe in fat stereotypes (and believe it’s not bigotry since they think it’s true).
DSeid - anal weenie at large.
So I’m not allowed to describe what I see (albeit in an insulting manner)? Thought this was the pit, not the lovey-dovey hugbox where I should self-censor what I’m actually pissed off about. Obviously the ‘audience’ are a bunch of bizarre fat-pride over-sensitive wusses and I make no apology for their overreaction.
Jew?
Yes it’s the pit but it’s also the Dope and you should make your arguments accordingly.
So tell me (now that you brought it up), what are you actually pissed off about - her weight or her sweat?
Ok, I’m gonna try and calm down a bit now and see where the other side is coming from, since whilst we’re calling each other pricks might as well understand why.
From my perspective, it’s the equivalent of posting something like “Albanian lesbian cut me off in traffic the other day!” and getting “So you’re saying all foreigners and homosexuals can’t drive, you racist douchenozzle?”
Only I was using the word fat as an insult and descriptively what with being in the pit. Imagine meeting someone in a restaurant, describing them as “fat” to the waiter is obviously more insulting to said person than…er…big boned or whatever.
You guys are equating me with the older threads, but I’m not deliberately being an asshole here. I’m describing what I see and how it pissed me off. It’s not like this is an unrelated prejudice - the overweight do tend to sweat more making it more noticeable when they leave stinking puddles next to the cycling machine.
Maybe I was wrong to use the word ‘fat’ as an insult, but come on - you can call someone who pisses you off any name under the sun but when you make a dig at their appearance you’ve crossed a line? Is that where the ‘racist’ equivalence comes in?
The sweat and not cleaning up thereof, obviously - that’s my whole complaint. Why would I even be pissed off otherwise? Have I given an indication that I have a problem with the mere presence of the overweight?
You won’t have to touch their sweat if you pre-empt them. Before they get on the machine, seize it for yourself. Nobody’s going to complain about your epileptic trainer seizure.
And mentioning the fact that she was lesbian would mean you were trying to use the term as insult. If you use the term as an insult, you must think it’s bad. You admit you used fat as an insult, so therefore you think poorly of fat people. It’s the same reason you don’t call people gay or black as insults.
Yes, this is the pit, but you’ve drawn the wrong conclusion from that. It means that if your OP is even slightly offensive, you’re going to be attacked for it by somebody.
Meh, the thing that bugs me about this whole line of logic is that the OP is right, ultimately.
Look, first of all, I’m on the borderline of “fat”. I should lose 70 pounds to get to “normal” weight. I sweat WAY more proportionally than a skinny or healthy guy, so yeah, I should be MORE conscientious about it.
Secondly, I go to the gym. The vast majority of people who don’t wipe are New Years Resolution dorks and other short-timers who don’t know and don’t care about the etiquette, they’re there because they believe in the miraculous power of a gym membership card to burn off weight with no effort on their part. They are there because they’re goddamn fat too.
To put it more plainly–the OP isn’t complaining about the class of “fat people”, he’s complaining about the class of “fat people at a gym doing cardio”. The vast majority of whom, in my experience, are basically unwilling to learn gym courtesy and etiquette because they are looking for a quick fix to a problem that has no quick fixes.
I mentioned that as the difference.
It’s negative in this case because as previously mentioned the overweight, or fat, or whatever term you wish to use, are the most noticeable demographic, the ones who should really keep an eye on it. That isn’t prejudice, it’s fact:
"Fit people sweat more efficiently by sweating sooner in their workout, when their body temperature is lower. However, a sedentary person doing the same intensity workout as a fit one will get hot a lot faster and possibly will sweat more.
Overweight people sweat more profusely than normal weight individuals because fat acts as an insulator that raises their core temperature."
If I knew I sweated more than someone lighter than me it’d be only considerate to make extra sure I cleaned up after myself, giving the increased chance of offensive odours and whatnot being left behind. They don’t, serving to piss me off more. I’m not saying that some skinny beanpole sweating all over the place is better either, but think about it in the real world in terms of quantity.
By way of crappy analogy, if I had say…er…a dog that kept taking shits on the neighbour’s garden it’d be considerate to try and compensate somehow, rather than ignore the problem and take offence when someone called me or my dog inconsiderate for failing in this.
It’s a matter of educating the customers. If they started out as total gym newbies and no one ever told them that was the procedure, that’s when you get the blank stare and “Why?” when you hand them the spray bottle.
All too often, gym staff will just give new or prospective patrons a “tour” of the facilities, with no real orientation when it comes to the gym courtesy basics, like wipe down the machines, put down the weights rather than drop them when you’re done, use and pay attention to the sign up board for cardio machines if the gym is really busy etc.
I think that women tend to be a higher percentage of the non-wipedown crowd because chances are higher that the guys have been exposed to gym culture a bit more somewhere along the lines, whereas some women may join a gym never having been in one before.
Seriously, if the staff won’t take the time to teach the novice crowd, would it kill them to just put together a cheap photocopied “Good Gym Guidelines” as a simple checklist for newbies? It would suck to find out you’d been annoying other patrons because you just didn’t know.
My mom joined a Gold’s Gym then quit as soon as her membership expired because guys like the OP made her feel so stupid. She hadn’t set foot in any kind of gym for about 40 years and they showed her fuck all about what to do once she paid her membership fee.
OMG, you’ve lost it. I really thought you were starting to get it - and now you dig your heels in? The OP isn’t about who sweats more, it’s about gym manners. The above post, and Zeriel’s too, is completely off topic (yes, I realize others brought it up first) and I predict will do you more harm than good.
Re your analogy: If you had a dog that kept taking shits on the neighbour’s garden and got called on it, pointing out to the neighbor that other dogs take bigger shits won’t fix the problem.
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Some might say the two are related. Dig heels in? What part don’t you fucking understand?
Yeah, where did I say that? Oh yeah, nowhere. Notice that I said I still had a problem with skinny gym members not wiping the machines, but would you, as the next user, prefer to wipe down a large amount of sweat or a small amount of sweat? Have a real careful think about it, you might start to get it.
You can stop digging that hole anytime you want to.
Yeah, real smart. When you come back, bring an argument.
Look, I get that I shouldn’t have used ‘fat’ as an insult and apologise unreservedly for it. Ignorance fought and all that, since I don’t hate all fat people. This doesn’t change the fact that it’s still descriptive, in that it’s not only the overweight who sweat more on the machines - which wouldn’t be a problem if they didn’t compound their sins by not cleaning it up.
If that still pisses you off, good. It pisses me off too.
Never mind - made moot by previous post.