The massacre took place over three days and the victims were all male. You tell me.
…so birth rate and death rate have nothing to do with genocide, and the maths you posted earlier was all bullshit.
Concession accepted.
Wrong answer. We were looking for “not in this case because the short time frame makes them statistically irrelevant”.
…I’ve already accepted your concession.
Not hearing a retort, just more adhoms, I’ll remind you of this once your pal Malema starts land requisitions without recompense ala Zimbabwe and you start justifying that as well.
Its not proof just opinion and conjecture.
When it’s “through the Israeli population” it fucking is.
TIL Sderot isn’t part of the Israeli population
The ANC were part of the Black liberation culture all the way through your growing up, if you think you’ve not been influenced by that, you’re being terribly naive.
Because Hamas charter literally states its anti semitic stance which you ignore
For @Smapti’s awareness - according to the UN, genocide doesn’t necessarily require the positive goal of eliminating an entire ethnic group. It’s defined as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part.
So if, say, 500 Israeli soldiers decide amongst themselves to kill 5000 Gazan civilians, as revenge for Oct 7th or just because of hatred, that’s an attempt at genocide.
And it’s pretty clear to me that at least some percentage of the IDF has been infected by the philosophy of decades of extreme right wing rule (which shouldn’t be surprising at all). It seems pretty obvious to me that some non zero amount of IDF members are fine with killing Gazan civilians without good reason, and leadership overlooks this. I suspect they overlook it because the rot is so deep that it can’t be rooted out right now without a wholesale dismantling and rebuilding of the IDF.
TIL Ryan doesn’t understand what “through” means.
Not where I grew up. If all you know is ANC, you’re clearly just ignorant about the situation in Cape Town in the 80s.
Don’t try and explain a liberation struggle I actually participated in to me, you dumb fuckstick.
Well, being negatively influenced enough to not touch anything the ANC does with a ten-foot pole is a kind of influence, I guess.
I suppose Because is not But. Orange you glad?
You don’t seem to understand proportionality in respects to Israels population being much smaller and attacks like that more devastating.
Not where I grew up. If all you know is ANC, you’re clearly just ignorant about the situation in Cape Town in the 80s.
Don’t try and explain a liberation struggle I actually participated in to me, you dumb fuckstick.
Why not? You seem blind to your own biases in relation to Israels past support for the Apartheid government so in your brain Israel automatically wrong Palestinians automatically good.
Obfuscate all you want but colour me shocked when an anti semitic Palestinian terrorist organisation carries out attacks inspired by its charter.
What concession, the Serbs purposefully separated the male population and massacred them solely on the basis of them being Muslim, where is this happening in Gaza?
That’s not a genocide anymore than My Lai was a genocide
The people brushing off 36,000 dead for 1,200 have the gall to lecture us about proportionality? Un-fucking-believable.
Because you clearly are just plucking acronyms out of the air to try and get a rise out of me. Not gonna fly, buddy.
I am biased against people who support racist fascists, yeah. Not blind to that. Proud of it, actually.
Naah. In my brain, indiscriminate murderer bad, innocence good.
What makes you think anyone’s shocked that Hamas attacked?
But hey, ring that Hamas Bell all you want. It’s pure self-parody at this point.
…that genocide isn’t determined by a formula that includes birth and death rates.
Who started the conflict which resulted in 30,000 dead?
Because you clearly are just plucking acronyms out of the air to try and get a rise out of me. Not gonna fly, buddy.
I don’t need to get an rise it’s pretty obvious you have a bias due to Israels history with SA.
So why are you defending a bunch of racists who lead the Gaza Strip from the consequences of their own actions?
Must have malfunctioned when Oct 7th happened
The shock of the attack isn’t the issue, its the wilful ignorance you and your pro Palestinian cohorts seem to think that Israel suffering an equivalent 9/11 is going to magically produce a ceasefire beneficial to the Palestinian people.
But he’s not used a singular attribute to demonstrate that, intent to Genocide isn’t showing from the Israeli government, Sbrenica was an intent to genocide due to the proportion of the population relative to those killed as well as the intention to specifically go out of their way to execute all the males of that town.
“He started it” is the rationale of a 5 year old.
Like I said, anyone who doesn’t have a bias against the friends of racist fascists is a bad person. It’s in my sig, even.
Go ahead, point to me defending Hamas. I’ll wait…
“But…Oct 7th” is an interesting remix, but a bit derivative of your earlier hits. This sophomore album sucks!
Oh, no, I’m well enough aware of the IOF’s methods by now to think any such thing.
Does that mean I should just throw up my hands and say “whelp, génocidaires gonna genocide!” now? Naah, thanks.
Your position appears to be that, because of the Oct 7th attacks, and Hamas’s genocidal intent, Israel can’t have made any mistakes and any criticism of Israel is wrong.
If that’s not your position, then what’s the relevance of Oct 7th, or Hamas’s intent?
…the evidence for intent can be found in “Expressions of Genocidal Intent against the Palestinian People by Israeli State Officials and Others”, SA submission to the ICC, page 59.
It can be found in the tactics and strategy, that has involved the targeted killings of journalists, academics, doctors and nurses, the forced relocation of over a million people, the siege, the wholesale destruction of over 70% of housing, Mosques, every university, schools, razing of farmlands, and indiscriminate bombing. It can be seen in the deliberate targeting of UNRWA, and the deliberate destruction of the healthcare system.
There is substantially more evidence of intent in Gaza than we do for Srebrenica. It usually the hardest part to prove…but they’ve literally just tweeted it out.
What’s childish is ignoring the reasons why Israel is pounding Gaza in the first place.
Like I said, anyone who doesn’t have a bias against the friends of racist fascists is a bad person. It’s in my sig, even.
So why aren’t you following your own credo?
Israel is perpeteating Genocide in Gaza is a Hamas talking point
October 7th is the initiation of this current conflict
Sure you are
That depends on your definition of genocide being 'Killed alot of people in wartime" If you’re going to do the reductionist route
I know their reasons. I’m not ignoring them.
I just think they’re absolutely, incredibly shit reasons for killing innocents.
Name some racist fascists I don’t have a bias against, please.
Israel perpetrating genocide in Gaza is the evidence that even Israeli murderers happily, laughingly post to their socials.
Gosh, and here no-one knew why it started 
Yep
That’s not my definition of genocide.
Would you like more straw for that alot you’re building, BTW?
And you think that in the near 20 years that Hamas controlled the strop it hasn’t compromised the entire civilians infrastructure to its own benefit?
I sincerely doubt the Israelis are deliberately targeting the population in any other sense of trying to uproot Hamas infrastructure. You guys act as if civilians don’t get harmed in warfare.
And in the midst of all this is the complete and utter disregard for Palestinian complicity in their own misery, they started this current conflict in October, some responsibility is there’s to bear in regards to how it turned out.
There is substantially more evidence of intent in Gaza than we do for Srebrenica. It usually the hardest part to prove…but they’ve literally just tweeted it out.
No they haven’t and besides, this spirrious use of the term genocide cheapen the term for actual genocides which do happen, like the Yazidis, for example.